Is Genesis God breathed?

Introduction

This post is the development of thoughts that I had in 2008. read these in http://www.kinberg.net/wordpress/stellan/2020/08/09/silent-women/

Paul said in Timothy 3:16:

“All Scripture is God-breathed ….”

JW following Paul have among their books, one with the title
All Scripture Is Inspired of God and Beneficial” https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1101990061

A friend atheist of mine once said “The religion is an invention of the Devil”.

Evilness examples:

Woman attacked with acid.

Supported by the Bible Genesis and Paul that said that women must obey men who was created first.

One of many torture tools used with women.

Supported by the Bible Genesis that says that the woman listened to the devil

One of 100.000 Women accused to be a witch and condemned to be burned.

Supported by the Bible Genesis that says that the woman listened to the devil.

Child with Smallpox in Bangladesh.

Because Adam sinned according to the  Bible Genesis.

Many were accused to have sinned and were bullied.

How could God allow this?

Boy suffering leukemia
Because Adam sinned?
How could God allow this?

Vulture waiting for the starving boy to die.
Because Adam sinned according to the  Bible Genesis.

How could God allow this?

   

Jewish boys in German lager because “Jews killed Jesus”?

How could God allow this? 

 

A God Perception

God is per definition all-knowing

God if there is one, should, therefore, know the consequences of some stories spread by messengers/prophets to humans.

Stories like Moses Genesis, that caused so much pain and death can not be the words of a all-knowing God.

I shared my personal perception of God in:

It is of course not static.

homophobia and witchhunt

I have written about homophobia and witchhunt. I have often found a connection between evils around us and religions and messengers like Paul and others. I  saw that all evilness led me to the apostle Paus and Bible Genesis.

I have long thought about the consequences of the Genesis story. About all the women who have suffered and died probably because of this “God-breathed” story.

I thought about the masculine ideal of superiority being the “image of God”, about the masculine stereotyping and the discrimination of women in all kinds of activities during many centuries.

Reading the book “Chiara di Assisi” (Clare of Assisi) by Dacia Maraini that discusses the situation of women in Italy why teenage women who preferred to imprison themselves for up to 40 years in convent living in poverty and silence instead of suffering the domination of a husband in marriage.

The hypothesis came up that Moses, who is said to have written Genesis, may have been inspired by an evil inner voice when he wrote Genesis.

I rewrote 2 years ago a page called “The whispering of Iblis. See www.kinberg.net/wordpress/stellan/2018/04/24/iblis-whisperings/ when Mohammad was warded by Angel Gabriel to not listen to the whispering of Iblis, the devil.

I that is true, could maybe the Devil have inspired Moses?

I invite you to, first of all, read my page about bias and deities as it explains some concepts I use in my conclusions.

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Index

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Jesus and Paul about Genesis 1-2

Paul refers often to Genesis. But how is it with Jesus? 

Only in Matthew 19:4-6 you can listen to Jesus referring to Genesis 1:
“Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?”
“Haven’t you read,”
he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’ and said, ‘For this reason, a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’?” So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”

  • “Jesus obviously had read Genesis 1 and 2 because He’s quoting it .We don’t often think about Jesus reading the Old Testament, but He did.  As a well-taught Jewish boy in the first century, He would have gone through the normal Torah instruction all boys His age did.” Read more in isgenesishistory.com

But nothing is said about a woman wanting to divorce a man. And  when you marry a woman in Church, it is not God that has joined together but love. And love can die.

Paul and Genesis

If you instead look for Paul referring to Genesis 1 you find a lot of sites.

Max Doerksen wrote a thesis about “the use of Genesis in CORINTHIANS 11:16, EPHESIANS 5:21-33, AND 1 TIMOTHY 2:ll-15”  https://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/obj/s4/f2/dsk2/ftp03/MQ26819.pdf

He says on page 19 among others “We know that he was probably only using the Hebrew of Gen 2:18-25 as a point of reference…Paul begins with the theological statement and then builds his argument from there. This method of interpretation is known as a form of midrash. ” Haggadah midrash according to page 24

Page 22 continues with Paul is inquiring of God to find a solution to the problem of gender distinctions in worship, and he bases his solution on his understanding of Gen 2:21-23.”

Read more about Paul and Genesis in:

https://answersingenesis.org/the-word-of-god/apostle-pauls-use-genesis-13-romans-1/

Jesus never talked about women as inferior to the man as Eve was created from the rib of Adam and she listened to the devil. But Paul does.

Nor does Jesus talks about homosexuality.

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Moses and Genesis 1-2

Moses was most probably a good man. He did maybe listened to his inner voice conditioned by his biases. Also, several scientists like Cantor and Einstein seem to have done so. I have done so too. But who did talk to Moses? Could he distinguish between the voices? I have my doubts about that.

I am more and more convinced that that was not God or a good intelligent voice that talked to Moses. The devil may have inspired Moses with the Genesis story to Moses who believed in it because he didn’t know better and wrote it (many believes he did this) down as his first book.

The story about the tree of the knowledge of good and evil is a strange one Why would God not allow humans to know about good and evil especially when created in the image of God? That tree story contradicts the fact that all humans have some kind of inner innate moral supported by bad and good conscience.
And God as all-knowing and loving would have known about the weakness of humans, a well-developed brain, having an obvious wish to know and distinguish between evil and good. Who would not?

God would therefore not have tempted these first human beings with some impossible obstacle, like a “tree of the knowledge of good and evil” ( Genesis 2:9 2:17)

The devil told that Eden was between Tigris and the Euphrates 2-14 something that was told differently to the prophet Mohammad. This Tigris story is one of the pillars of conflict between Science (among others anthropology) and Hebrews and Christians. God does not induce to evilness so God had no reason and intention to tempt nor confuse human beings and have many of them using reason, burned for heresy like e.g. Giordano Bruno.

The creation of a woman is another one evil leading story (Genesis 2:18) The woman to become  “a helper suitable for him”.

God that is a loving spirit, would never share a story that creates damage.

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An agnostic/atheist view of Genesis

I don’t know if this is a view from an agnostic or atheist. I think however that this answer to the question “What are some arguments supporting the claim that the biblical God is cruel?” shared by Nick L. in Quora is a excellent, great and clear analysis of Genesis:

  1. “He creates all the animals as male and female, but then he creates Adam all by himself with no female companion. Does that make any sense? What are his dangly bits for? Are they purely recreational?
  2. Adam and Eve are to live in Eden without the knowledge of Good and Evil. That means they have no moral compass- they must rely on God to tell them right and wrong.
  3. The kind-hearted Promethean snake helped them evolve by eating the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge, giving them the intellectual ability to see the chains God put on them.
  4. God did not like that, so he punished them- punishment for the crime of being able to think for themselves.”

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Good looking story with evil consequences

if it was an evil voice to inspire Moses, the evil voice was able to tell the simplified story of the creation of the Universe (1:1-2:2) and the creation of human beings (2:7- ). These stories were easy enough to be understood by Moses and were in agreement with his confirmation bias and teleological biases and stereotypes among others 6000 years ago. It was fully acceptable for men who did not want to abandon their power over women.

With this in mind I went back, reading Genesis again to create this list of verses, allusions, and evil consequences:

  1. 1:27 So God created mankind (Hebrew haadam) in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.

    • Wisdom 2:23for God created man for incorruption,
      and made him in the image of his own eternity,
    • Paul’s allusion to 1:27 in Colossians 1:15-17 about Jesus “He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.”  Evil consequences: 
    • “Imago Dei” doctrine
      • woman discrimination
        “mankind in the image to God” view = the second part was often forgotten by mostly man. 

        Only men can become priests in the catholic church.
        Women never lead JW meetings.
        Women did not have the right to vote in many countries
         
  2. 2:18 “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.” +2:20 “for Adam no suitable helper was found.”
    • Paul’s allusion to 2:18 in Corinthian 11:9-10neither was man created for woman, but woman for man. It is for this reason that a woman ought to have authority over her own head, because of the angels.” Evil consequences: 
    • natural use of the woman” Paul in Romans 1:27 
      The use of a woman as an object for the pleasure and to make children.
    • Wife submission: married women obliged to do what the husband requests 
  3. 2:22-23 the LORD God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.”
    The man said, “This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called ‘woman,’ for she was taken out of man.””

    • Paul’s allusion to 2:22-23 in Corinthian 11:3: “I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man,” 
    • Paul’s allusion to 2:22-23 in Corinthian 11:7-9
       A man ought not to cover his head,For man did not come from woman, but woman from man;  neither was man created for woman, but woman for man. “
    • Paul’s allusion to 2:22-23 in Corinthian 14:34-35Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak but must be in submission, as the law says.   If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church”
    • Paul’s allusion to 2:22-23 in I Timothy 2.11-13 ”
      A woman should learn in quietness and full submission.  I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.  For Adam was formed first, then Eve.”
       

      • Evil consequences: 
        • woman discrimination – “man in the likeness to God” view = the man superior over the woman.
          Only men can become priests in the catholic church.
          Only men lead JW meetings
          Women did not have the right to vote in many countries. 
           
  4. 2:24 That is why a man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife, and they become one flesh.”
    • Paul’s allusion to 2:22 and 2:24 in Corinthian 7:4 The wife does not have authority over her own body but yields it to her husband. In the same way, the husband does not have authority over his own body but yields it to his wife. “ 
    • Evil consequences: 
      • fornication concept – 
      • marriage dogmas and injustices
        • women obliged to marry men for conveniences and not for love and not able to divorce without being discriminated despite husband domestic abuse.
        • young girls being married to old men against their wish – whenever a man or family finds it convenient
        • marital rapes note being a crime – men’s right to use the husband’s body whenever wanted. 
        • homophobia supported by Paul Romans 1:18–32,-> theory of homosexuality or of lesbianism as a disease ( Don Carrega, Turin )  –  Jehovah witnesses: Homosexuality can be cured “we can help homosexuals by looking back at sexual abuse traumas many homosexuals suffered”
        • masturbation is a sexual immorality and sin to be confessed in Catholic church 
  5. 3.1 Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?” 
    • Evil consequences: 
      • Reptile indiscriminate killing. the human view of repitles and right to kill these despite they are an important part of the ecosystem eating rats and other =evilness against nature. 
  6. 3:4 You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman.”
    about eating from the tree. The devil shows knowledge about the soul.
     

    • Evil consequences: 
      • Demonology – Witchcraft & inquisition 
  7. 3:6 “When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.” 
    • Evil consequences: 
      • Original sin doctrine
      • Body dogmas and taboos “flesh, and the devil as threats to the perfection of the soul” (John of the Cross)
      • the view of woman as allied to the devil is here “prooved”
      • reason to regard women as dangerous and to control women’s sexuality and knowledge, giving the right to burn them if they show knowledge and are therefore felt as a danger for man’s power.
        • Mortification of the flesh
          • Our healthy body is not a gift of God but something we can damage as we want except committing suicide.
        • sinful nature doctrine
        • whichhunt (Read more in witchhunt-in-europe)
        • Inquisistion. the book Malleus Maleficarum 1487 on how to fight witches and heresy and how to torture to get confession from women. (Lelio Finocchiaro in “”Briciole di storie” p 98)
  8. 2:25 “Adam and his wife were both naked, and they felt no shame.
    + 3:7 “Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.” 

    • Evil consequences: 
      • the vision of the body to be sinful and to be covered and suppressed – obliging naked indigenous people to wear clothes or otherwise give man right to rape or kill – the sexist perverse Christian view of sexuality as something dirty and sinful allowing murder in case a woman get in love with someone else or have sex.
      • homophobia (read more in fighting-homophobia)
      • sexuality myth and dogma. Read more in sexuality)

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Conclusions

Ǵod being all-knowing would know the consequences of this Bible Genesis story.

If God gave this story to  Moses then God reveals to be either ignorant for the consequences or does God reveal itself to be nasty beast having fun setting up rules that can not be followed by intelligent people wanting to use their brain and know more.

And with the punishment, even punishing the unborn, like Hitler made in the concentration camps.

If Genesis is God breathed then God is incredibly cruel.

It is not strange that many find God to be cruel and a psychopath. because that is the picture Genesis gives.

If Genesis was evil-breathed or conditioned by biases at Moses then we can have back our loving and forgiving God.

Only a devil or an evil God if it exists, would have wanted all this evilness. Not an all-knowing and forgiving God. 

So most probably, Genesis was written by a man with bad mood, stereotypes,  unconsciousness biasconfirmation bias, and teleological bias

Genesis must be rewritten

But this implies that we need a new Genesis. A Genesis that tells us that maybe…

“God decided several tensors and rules (probability and others)  and started several Evolutions with very small building blocks.

”Source:  www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNVQfWC_evg minute 33)

These evolutions (nucleosynthesis, stellar, organic, biologic, cultural) finally ended up us having a brain on Earth, to be used taking care of ourselves and our planet.

  • If we don’t do our best, we will learn from our experiences. We won’t solve our problems by praying to God or Saints or project all our guilt on women (as we have done for centuries) or  deities like a Devil.” (Read about the details in this page )
    • The Christian religion that is based on the Genesis story, is therefore indirectly based on evil.
  • A few exceptions.
    • The Bible Genesis may have not had the same evil impact on Hebrew and Samaritan communities. 
    • Mohammad got a different story about the Creation that did not have the same evil consequences. We must remember that extremist Muslims are known to not have followed instructions in the Quran, like Moses law “Do not kill”. 

When I wrote my illuministic Genesis it was obvious for me to take inspiration from the  Quranic version of the Creation and to what Science tells us.

I am gentle and humble in heart

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INTRODUCTION

Today at Catholic Mass, Mt 11,25-30 (in iItalian)  is read.

Jesus himself tells that teaches with a humble hearth. He does not yell and impose with “tooth”.

INDEX

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The text

( N:B. The texts below are copied from www.christianwritingtoday.com/free_downloads/WebNT_CWTedition.pdf )

 

Matthew 11: 25-30 says 

 11:25 At that time, Jesus answered, “I thank you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that you hid these things from the wise and understanding, and revealed them to infants.
11:26 Yes, Father, for so it was well-pleasing in your sight.
11:27 All things have been delivered to me by my Father. No one knows the Son, except the Father; neither does anyone know the Father, except the Son, and he to whom the Son desires to reveal him.
11:28 “Come to me, all you who labor and are heavily burdened, andI will give you rest.
11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart; and you will find rest for your souls.
11:30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.”

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The message

Jesus gave the following  messages after having denounced the cities of Chorazin, Bethsaida, Betsaida and Capernaum, “in which most of his mighty works had been done, because they didn’t repent”. (Matthew (11:20-24)

11:25 … “I thank you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that you hid these things from the wise and understanding, and revealed them to infants.

The word infants sounds like a metaphor for people who like children, have no higher understanding nor wisdom, humans who had to fight to survive, like poors and oppressed, those “who labor and are heavily burdened” (11:28). Jesus talked to and teached these humans about the Kingdom of God.

11:26 Yes, Father, for so it was well-pleasing in your sight.

11:27 All things have been delivered to me by my Father. No one knows the Son, except the Father; neither does anyone know the Father, except the Son, and he to whom the Son desires to reveal him.

Why did Jesus said “my Father” for God?
His father was most probably Joseph who later became father for several  brothers and sisters of Jesus.

At the cross Jesus called God “Eloi” as in Aramaic Eloì Eloì, lamà sabachtanì”. 

May the Gospel authors have changed his word for God to “Father” to emphasize the dogma of Jesus’ physical origin and the horrible sexistic dogma of virginity in the Mariology? But for anyone, especially for Jesus, God can be a spiritual father.

So may he have used the name Father to indicate “Spiritual father”?

Another interesting part is the last verse:

neither does anyone know the Father, .… and he to whom the Son desires to reveal him.

masculine “he” is not used.
The greek version that says:

neither does anyone know the Father, …. and the one to whom the Son desires to reveal him.”

So not only Jesus knows God but also the  one whom the Jesus desires to reveal him.

11:28 “Come to me, all you who labor and are heavily burdened, and I will give you rest.

,Many came to him because of this also later in the Roman Empire where many poor Romans suffered martyrship following Jesus commandments.

11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly (humble) in heart; and you will find rest for your souls.
11:30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.”

He reminds that his teaching comes with a humble voice, not with a threatening one like tooth for tooth as he said in Matthew 5:38

for I am gentle and humble in heart;

This is my criterium for evaluating the Gospel texts. If the supposed words of Jesus, does not sound humble and intelligent, I reject these.

This is the reason I am skeptic about this bragging part:

11:27 ….neither does anyone know the Father, except the Son and…

11:30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.”

To follow his teaching is not easy or light.

But Jesus feels maybe his yoke as easy as he feels support from God.

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conclusion

Many Christians do not follow Jesus when he says:

  • I am gentle and humble in heart
  • I will give you rest.

I have tried to be humble as a teacher, my last years before retirement, with my student. And that had surprising effects. One of my students who did many bad things in class once said to me
“I love you”.

Pope Francis uses the same approach and we see the results. A friend of mine who is a atheist said about Pope Francis “He talks like Jesus”.

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love me more than and get rewards from heaven

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INTRODUCTION

Today Catholic mass read Mt 10,37-42 (Italian) See English version below 

Jesus said according to Matthew that he is to be loved “more than” any once mother and father.

It is a extraordinary message that is difficult for many to accept. Even for me. But I came to think about what the word “love” really means.

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The text

( N:B. The texts below are copied from www.christianwritingtoday.com/free_downloads/WebNT_CWTedition.pdf ). 10:37-42 says:

10:37 He who loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; and he who loves son or daughter more than me isn’t worthy of me.
10:38 He who doesn’t take his cross and follow after me, isn’t worthy of me.
10:39 He who seeks his life will lose it; and he who loses his life for my sake will find it.
10:40 He who receives you receives me, and he who receives me receives him who sent me.
10:41 He who receives a prophet in the name of a prophet will receive a prophet’s reward. He who receives a righteous man in the name of a righteous man will receive a righteous man’s reward.
10:42 Whoever gives one of these little ones just a cup of cold water to drink in the name of a disciple, most certainly I tell you he will in no way lose his reward.”

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The message

10:37 He who loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; and he who loves son or daughter more than me isn’t worthy of me.

What did Jesus  mean with “love more than”? Is it related to time or to the way you are in love?

“To love” means many things. According to Jesus love means to forgive like God does. Certainly Jesus do not ask us to forgive him more often than our parents.
So what did he mean with love more than? Maybe it is to be understood reading 10:38.

10:38 He who doesn’t take his cross and follow after me, isn’t worthy of me.

I think that the “love more than” has to be related to this last sentence. That means “love more Jesus” in the sense that we follow Jesus’ teaching rather that or more than our own parents teaching.

10:39 He who seeks his life will lose it; and he who loses his life for my sake will find it.
10:40 He who receives you receives me, and he who receives me receives him who sent me.
10:41 He who receives a prophet in the name of a prophet will receive a prophet’s reward. He who receives a righteous man in the name of a righteous man will receive a righteous man’s reward.

What is a prophets’s or a righteous man’s reward? 

orahportions.ffoz.org offers a reasonable answer to this question:

n the days of the apostles, Jewish families considered it a great privilege to be able to host a priest, a teacher, or a rabbi in their home. By providing hospitality to the servants of God, one could hope for some commensurate blessing from God….
About 10:41-42 https://torahportions.ffoz.org/  continues “That is not to say that hosting a prophet or righteous man will earn a person the reward due to the prophet or the righteous man. Rather, it will earn the gratitude of God’s servant, and God’s servant will bestow a reward in the form of a spiritual blessing. With these words,” 

“the Master alluded to the story of Elisha the prophet and the Shunnamite woman. A childless woman from Shunem hosted the prophet Elisha in her home. As a reward for her hospitality, Elisha bestowed a blessing upon her, granting her a son (2 Kings 4).” 

10:42 Whoever gives one of these little ones just a cup of cold water to drink in the name of a disciple, most certainly I tell you he will in no way lose his reward.”

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conclusion

I had to think about the meaning of “love” and “reward”.

I love my mother and father but I love Jesus too. But I have listened to and read Jesus Kerygma for more than 30 years now.  And I follow jesus kerygma more than the reaching of my parents. I even do not remember the teachings of my parents.

Todays reading has teached me about the meaning of love and about my relation to Jesus.

I do not act in a certain way because Jesus says to to do so.
Nor do i act driven by a hope of reward or a fear of punishment. I act as I do,  more because of he feelings following my act. Sometimes I repent actings of mine driven by my amygdala and limbic system. Following Jesus Kerygma is sometimes difficult like the “loving your enemie” and “forgive 7×77 times” but when I do it I feel well having done it.

 


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two not understood kerygma

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INTRODUCTION

Jesus shared several metaphores and messages sometime finishing with:
 
“He who has ears to hear, let him hear.”
 
What is hearing really?
 
Dacia Maraini shares a beautiful metaphore (in Italian) about hearing in her book “La lunga vita di Marianna Ucrìa”, (The long life of Marianna Ucriá).
In English, freely translated, the metaphore sounds like this: 
 
“With your ears and with you eyes, collect the words like grapes from the bunch,
squeeze them with your thoughts
and let the juice flow through your veins.”
 
To Jesus words there is reason to add
 
“He who has a brain to think with, think.”
 
But we have a problem. Jesus made according to the Gospels a lot of magic and the Gospels blend it with fairy tales about his life. These were necessary 2000 years ago but are rather distracting today. Jesus never exalted himself nor wanted to do miracles. That is the reason I rewrote for myself the Gospels into so called “demythologized gospels”. I shared these on my site.

But we have a problem. Jesus made according to the Gospels a lot of magic blended with fairy tales about his life. These were necessary 2000 years ago but are rather distracting today. That is the reason I rewrote for myself the Gospels into so called “demythologized gospels”. I shared these on my site.

Today we read another two of Jesus messages we should think about. They are in John 6,51-58 (in Italian.  Read the English version below.

6:52 The Jews therefore contended with one another, saying,

“How can this man give us his flesh to eat?”

The Jews at least were sincere about their not understanding.
I am sure they also wondered:

“How can we get eternal life by eating his flesh and drinking his blood?”

The priests today are not better than the Jews.

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The text

( N:B. The texts below are copied from www.christianwritingtoday.com/free_downloads/WebNT_CWTedition.pdf )

John 6:51-58 says:

6:51 I am the living bread which came down out of heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. Yes, the bread which I will give for the life of the world is my flesh.”  06:52 The Jews therefore contended one another, saying, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?” 6:53 Jesus therefore said to them, “Most certainly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you don’t have life in yourselves. 6:54 He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. 6:55 For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. 6:56 He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood lives in me, and I in him. 6:57 As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father; so he who feeds on me, he will also live because of me. 

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The message

6:54 He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life,
6:55 For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.

My questions are 

  1. “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?”
  2. “How can we get eternal life by eating Jesus flesh and drinking his blood?”

My simple answer is that:

  1. We eat “Jesus flesh and blood” when we listen and think about his words.
    Remind that Jesus words were spread around the world thanks to Jesus letting himself be offered on the stake.
  2. If we listen to Jesus kerygma, our soul, whatever it is, will continue to live after our death.

We are body and soul. Our soul whatever it is, will continue to live maybe in another Universe after our body is recycled here on earth. Our body will be consumed but our soul will have eternal life.

Jesus was according to me suggested/inspired by God. Jesus was highly entangled with God.

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conclusion

Reading the Gospels without being distracted by magic and fairy tales, has given me much.

The eternal life question has been in my mind several years. yesterday the idea came up that “We will live what we believe in”. So if I believe in Jesus Kerygma maybe I and my consciousness will continue to live after my death. That would be great.

Dr Kubler Ross has shared several after death experiences that support such a hypothesis. Read more about this in my previous post about after life


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Son of Man

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INTRODUCTION

June 7 Gv 3,16-18 in Italian is read.See English text below.

Again a text that shows a bragging Jesus and a support of the triniity dogma. I am disappointed with Johns Gospels authors. I loved the first part but then….

I wrote about the trinity dogma in another post.

Miguel Serveto was convicted of heresy and sentenced to death 16 october 1553 by Protestants because he wrote “De trinitatis erroribus” .

The text of today is maybe a early Church adding the Johns Gospel to support this trinity dogma and the Mariology to deny that Joseph was his real father.

I emphasize in this post tehe fequent us of the  “Son of man” title, that Jesus gave himself according to the Gospels. a title that appears in several Gospels and also in John 3:13-14.

As the early Church wanted Jesus to be the incarnation of God, it is understandable that they mistranslated the Aramaic and Hebrew title to “Son of Man”

I came to the same conclusion as Geza Vermes. “that the use of “the Son of man” in the Christian Gospels is unrelated to Hebrew Torah usages” that Jesus followed strictly.

The frequent use of “Be-Adam” (in Aramaic) shows that Jesus was a man that did not want to exalt himself over human beings. He was  a “wise genious” that did not need to brag.

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The text

Here is the text of John 3:8-18.

( N:B. The text below is  copied from www.christianwritingtoday.com/free_downloads/WebNT_CWTedition.pdf )

I paste in from verse 3:8-9 to see the reading of today 3:16-18 in a correct context as John describes it.

John 3:09-21:

03:09 Nicodemus answered him, “How can these things be?” Jesus answered him,

03:10 “Are you the teacher of Israel, and don’t understand these things?

03:11 Most certainly I tell you, we speak that which we know, and testify of that which we have seen, and you don’t receive our witness.

03:12 If I told you earthly things and you don’t believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things?

03:13 No one has  scended into heaven, but he who descended out of heaven, the Son of Man, who is in heaven.

03:14 As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 

03:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

3:17 For God didn’t send his Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world should be saved through him.

03:18 He who believes in him is not judged. He who doesn’t believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the one and only Son of God.

03:19 This is the judgment, that the light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the light; for their works were evil.  For everyone who does evil hates the light, and doesn’t come to the light, lest his works would be exposed.

03:21 But  he who does the truth comes to the light, that his works may be revealed, that they have been done in God.”

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The message

 

03:09 Nicodemus answered him, “How can these things be?” Jesus answered him,

Who did listen to this dialog? it is not reasonable that Nicodemos shared his dialog with Jesus disciples. “He came to Jesus at night” for a good reason as he was was a member of the Jewish ruling council. (John 3:3 ) Nicodemus did most probably not want to have witnesses about his dialog with Jesus.

But Johns authors for some strange reason are able to share this secret night dialog.

So according to John, Jesus answered:

03:13 No one has  scended into heaven, but he who descended out of heaven, the Son of Man, who is in heaven.

This verse and the following 3:14-18 are in my opinion not the  true words of Jesus for two reasons. Noone could have listened to his dialog with Nicodemus.  And he had no reason to brag about himself with Nicodemus.

Son of man – be-adam

This title that Jesus used about himself is used several times in Jogn and the the other Gospels.

“Son of man”  In Hebrew, the term is ben-adam, while in Aramaic  its equivalent bar-adam is used. (Source: Wiki )

It is most reasonable that Jesus used the Aramaic “Be-Adam” about himself to emphasize his being a  human, son of Adam and keeping at the same time a connection to the Hebrew tests. “The Hebrew expression “son of man” (בן–אדם i.e. ben-‘adam) appears one hundred and seven times in the Hebrew Bible.” (SOurce: Wiki )

The title “Son of man” has later been used  “more than eighty times in the New Testament.” Read more at  biblehub.com/topical ).The Hebrew Ben-adam has been translate by the authors of John to “Huios tou anthrōpou”. See Biblehub interlingual. ).

This Greek translation is of course not a correct translation from Hebrew nor Aramaic. I have never heard a Catholic priest deepen the meaning of “Son of man”

In verse 3:13 we read again that Jesus call himself the “Son of man”. 

Jesus used this title (ben-Adam or  Be-Adam) in many other contexts, and it became one of the main ways he referred to himself. Here are some examples:

“But that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins” – he then said to the paralytic – “Rise, pick up your bed and go home.” (Matthew 9:6)

“For the Son of Man is lord of the Sabbath.” (Matthew 12:8)

“The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all law-breakers.” (Matthew 13:41)

Now when Jesus came into the district of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say that the Son of Man is?” (Matthew 16:13)

“For the Son of Man is going to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay each person according to what he has done.” (Matthew 16:27)

He began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders and the chief priests and the scribes and be killed, and after three days rise again. (Mark 8:31)

“Blessed are you when people hate you and when they exclude you and revile you and spurn your name as evil, on account of the Son of Man!” (Luke 6:22)

“The Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and on the third day be raised.” (Luke 9:22)

He said to him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, you will see heaven opened, and the angels of God ascending and descending on the Son of Man.” (John 1:51)

“No one has ascended into heaven except he who descended from heaven, the Son of Man. And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up.” (John 3:13-14)

He said, “Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.” (Acts 7:56) (Source  https://jewsforjesus.org

As he called himself Be-Adam (in Aramaic) shows clearly his humility in front of God.

Jesus called God, his father. Jesus never called himself “Son of God” but “Be-Adam).  God is the father (grand grandfather or whatever) of all human beings but that does not imply that Jesus is the physical genomeic son of God as the early Church wanted him to be with its Trinity and Mariology dogma.

Son of Man is also the title of a song of Phil Collins

Oh, the power to be strong
And the wisdom to be wise
All these things will
Come to you in time
On this journey that you’re making
There’ll be answers that you’ll seek
And it’s you who’ll climb the mountain
It’s you who’ll reach the peak…

His song makes me think about Jesus as a child and how he grew up with Joseph, his brothers and sisters and his mother.

But Jesus were not alone but guided by God, God he met when he went apart from the crowd.

As Wiki authors write “The meaning of the expression is controversial. Interpretation of the use of “the Son of man” in the New Testament has remained challenging and after 150 years of debate no consensus on the issue has emerged among scholars.The expression “the Son of man” occurs 81 times in the Greek text of the four Canonical gospels, and is used only in the sayings of Jesus. The Hebrew expression “son of man” (בן–אדם i.e. ben-‘adam) also appears in the Torah over a hundred times. Geza Vermes has stated that the use of “the Son of man” in the Christian gospels is unrelated to Hebrew Torah usages.”

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conclusion

I am happy that i learned bout the “Son of man” title that Jesus often used.

This title gave me a new light about the man Jesus.

 


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Pentecost with peace and Spirit

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INTRODUCTION

Today is the seventh Sunday  after Easter and Christian Pentecost is celebrated. It should be celebrated tomorrow Monday that is fifthieth day after Passover.

“The term Pentecost comes from the Greek Πεντηκοστή (Pentēkostē) meaning “fiftieth”. It refers to the festival celebrated on the fiftieth day after Passover,” ( Wiki )

John (  Gv 20,19-23 in Italian is therefore read.

 Jesus comes to into a closed house in Jerusalem that hosted  the Apostles and other followers of Jesus. They were in Jerusalem celebrating the Feast of Weeks Shavuot, as described in the Acts of the Apostles (Acts 2:1–31)

Yo understand the message i think it is important to know what Pentecost and most important of all, what Shavout really is.

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Pentecost etymology

The term Pentecost comes from the Greek Πεντηκοστή (Pentēkostē) meaning “fiftieth”. It refers to the festival celebrated on the fiftieth day after Passover, also known as the “Feast of Weeks” and the “Feast of 50 days” in rabbinic tradition.

The Septuagint uses the term Pentēkostē to refer to the “Feast of Pentecost” only twice, in the deuterocanonical Book of Tobit and 2 MaccabeesThe Septuagint writers also used the word in two other senses: to signify the year of Jubilee (Leviticus 25:10),  an event which occurs every 50th year, and in several passages of chronology as an ordinal number.[ii] The term has also been used in the literature of Hellenistic Judaism by Philo of Alexandria and Josephus (  Read more in  Wiki

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Shavout

I paste here the text in Wikipedia as I think it gives the information needed.

Shavuot (About this soundlisten ), Yiddish Shovues (About this soundlisten ) in Ashkenazi usage, (Hebrewשָׁבוּעוֹת, lit. “Weeks”), is known as the Feast of Weeks or Pentecost (Koinē GreekΠεντηκοστή) in English. It is a Jewish holiday that occurs on the sixth day of the Hebrew month of Sivan (it may fall between May 15 and June 14 on the Gregorian calendar).[Note 1][2]

Shavuot has a double significance, agricultural and spiritual. Agriculturally it marks the all-important wheat harvest in the Land of Israel (Exodus 34:22), and spiritually it commemorates the anniversary of the day when God gave the Torah to the nation of Israel assembled at Mount Sinai—although the association is not explicit in the Biblical text between the giving of the Torah (Matan Torah) and Shavuot.

The holiday is one of the Three Pilgrimage Festivals of the Bible. The word Shavuot means “weeks” and it marks the conclusion of the Counting of the Omer. Its date is directly linked to that of Passover; the Torah mandates the seven-week Counting of the Omer, beginning on the second day of Passover, to be immediately followed by Shavuot. This counting of days and weeks is understood to express anticipation and desire for the giving of the Torah. On Passover, the people of Israel were freed from their enslavement to Pharaoh; on Shavuot, they were given the Torah and became a nation committed to serving God.[3] The yahrzeit of King David is traditionally observed on Shavuot. Hasidic Jews also observe the yahrzeit of the Baal Shem Tov.[4]

Shavuot is one of the Jewish holidays which is less familiar to secular Jews in the Jewish diaspora, while those in Israel and the Orthodox community are more aware of it.[5][6]

Shavuot is celebrated in Israel by all congregations for one day including Conservative and Orthodox. As with other biblical holidays however Shavuot is celebrated by Conservative and Orthodox congregations in the Diaspora for two days (Yom tov sheni shel galuyot), however Reform congregations celebrate for a single day regardless of location.[7]

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The text

( N:B. The texts below are copied from www.christianwritingtoday.com/free_downloads/WebNT_CWTedition.pdf )

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Baptize in the name of the Father and of the Holy Spirit

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INTRODUCTION

Today Mt 28,16-20 is read. it is about Jesus last message to his disciples.
It is a pity that only Matthew share this.

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The text

( N:B. The texts below are copied from www.christianwritingtoday.com/free_downloads/WebNT_CWTedition.pdf )

28:16 But the eleven disciples went into Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had sent them.
28:17 When they saw him, they bowed down to him, but some doubted.
28:18 Jesus came to them and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to me in heaven and on earth.
28:19 Go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
28:20 teaching them to observe all things that I commanded you. Behold, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” 

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The message

in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
original Greek: εἰς τὸ ὄνομα τοῦ Πατρὸς καὶ τοῦ Υἱοῦ καὶ τοῦ Ἁγίου Πνεύματοςeis to ónoma toû Patros kaì toû Huioû kai toû Hagíou Pneúmatos, ( Biblehub

The trinitarian formula

This saying apparently looks to support the trinity dogma. But  many discussions have been made about this dogma and some were killed by  Christians like Miguel Serveto. I wrote about it in this site  1919 in a separate post. I wrote among others:

Servetus published “De trinitatis erroribus” and “Dialogorum de Trinitate” in Switzerland. In these books, Servetus built a theology which maintains that the belief of the Trinity is not based on biblical teachings but rather on what he saw as deceiving teachings of (Greek) philosophers.

Despite the jehovas witness do not recognize the idea of trinity they have included this verse in their bible.
They say “Many Christian denominations teach that God is a Trinity. However, note what the Encyclopædia Britannica states: Neither the word Trinity nor the explicit doctrine appears in the New Testament . . . I
Jehovah our God is one Jehovah.”—Deuteronomy 6:4. “ ( Source: www.jw.org )

It is strange that only Matthew share this saying. May it have been added or manipulated later by the Church? 

A change in Matthew 29:19 to the trinitarian formula may be a case of Eisegesis. The text may have been changed to produce a ‘Jesus’ wholly ‘congenial’ to the Early church” (  Wiki   The Jesus Chrisis )

If Jesus invited to to baptize he for sure said it in Aramaic and he would not have mentioned himself putting himself  to be like God.
I think that he would have said instead:

Baptize
in the name of the Father and of the Holy Spirit

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20200517 Follow Jesus commandments.

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INTRODUCTION

Today a nice text of Johns Gospel i read. My preferred Gospel is Matthew but John’s has given me a lot of inspiration.

The text of todays text is taken from Gv 14,15-21

As I can not go to mass because of Corona lock down I listen to the mass on television.

I eat sourdough bread in memory of Jesus.

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The text

( N:B. The texts below are copied from www.christianwritingtoday.com/free_downloads/WebNT_CWTedition.pdf )

14:15 Whatever you will ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you will ask anything in my name, I will do it.
14:16 If you love me, keep my commandments.

14:17 I will pray to the Father, and he will give you another  Counselor,  that he may be with you forever,  the Spirit of truth, whom the world can’t receive; for it doesn’t see him, neither knows him. 14:18 You know him, for he lives with you, and will be in you.
14:19 I will not leave you 
orphans.
14:20 I will come to you.
14:20 Yet a 
little while, and the world will see me no more; but you will see me.
14:21 Because I live, 
you will live also.
14:22 In that day you 
will know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you.
14:22 One who has 
my commandments, and keeps them, that person is one who loves me.
14:23 One who 
loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him, and will reveal myself to him.”

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The message

14:15 Whatever you will ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you will ask anything in my name, I will do it.

I never ask in the name of Jesus. I ask God for help. But maybe I coult try what Jesus has said according to John. But I am always doubtful when Jesus raises himself over the last. He said the last will be first, the first will be last. As you know I this part looks for me like bragging.

14:16 If you love me, keep my commandments.

14:22 One who has my commandments, and keeps them, that person is one who loves me.

This is without any doubt Jesus words. He gave his hearth and life for us. he shared commandments that are invaluable. And some of them have been invaluable for me as a human and as a teacher.
if we do not follow these, we do not rely no him, we do not listen to him. he said “those who have ears, listen”
As pope Francis said today “Jesus did not want us to love him” He wanted us to love each other, even our enemies.

14:19 I will not leave you orphans.
14:20 I will come to you.
14:20 Yet
little while,

and the world will see me no more;

Many did not listen to this thinking that Jesus would soon be back. We do not see Jesus but we can feel Jesus presence.

What is important is to follow his commandments without the need of miracles. Jesus did not want to make miracles and many were for sure not done as described in the Gospels.

14:17 I will pray to the Father, and he will give you another  Counselor,  that he may be with you forever,  the Spirit of truth, whom the world can’t receive; for it doesn’t see him, neither knows him. 14:18 You know him, for he lives with you, and will be in you.

4:17 …., and he (ed. God) will give you another  Counselor,  that he may be with you forever,  the Spirit of truth.

This is a key message. If we ask God in the name of Jesus, Jesus, is with God. But God has many Counselors around that can talk to us. The Spirit of truth is probably what is talking to us in our inner voice. it tells us when we do right or wrong. We must listen to it as it may be God that talks to you.

Without forgetting that sometime the words may be the word of the evil. But we know the difference between who is talking to you.

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conclusion

God is with us in his temple, the temple that is inside us.

If the voice tells you to not follow the kerygma (commandments) of Jesus then we know that it is the evil who talks to you.

 

 


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God, the shepherd of the Creation

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INTRODUCTION

Todaya we read John 10,1-10 the parable about the  shepherd of the sheep. The parable tells how a good shepherd should behave. is is a nice parable that allows important interpretations but I wonder about the explanation that Jesus gave according to John. May John have put his own interpretation in Jesus explication?

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The text

( N:B. The texts below are copied from www.christianwritingtoday.com/free_downloads/WebNT_CWTedition.pdf )

10:01 “Most certainly, I tell you, one who doesn’t enter by the door into the sheep fold, but climbs up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. But one who enters in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. The gatekeeper opens the gate for him, and the sheep listen to his voice. He calls his own sheep by name, and leads them out. Whenever he brings out his own sheep, he goes before them, and the sheep follow him, for they know his voice. They will by no means follow a stranger, but will flee from him; for they don’t know the voice of strangers.” Jesus spoke this parable to them, but they didn’t understand what he was telling them.

10:7 Jesus therefore said to them again, “Most certainly, I tell you, I am the sheep’s door. All who came before me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep didn’t listen to them. I am the door. If anyone enters in by me, he will be saved, and will go in and go out, and will find pasture. The thief only comes to steal, kill, and destroy. I came that they may have life, and may have it abundantly. 

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The message

Before dealing with this part it is important to remember that

God is the good shepherd

 at Jesus time, God was known as the good shepherd. 

Starting in the book of Genesis, God has always been known as a “good shepherd.” The Old Testament is full of verses that describe God has a “good shepherd.”Read more in aleteia.org

“I tell you, I am the sheep’s door. All who came before me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep didn’t listen to them. I am the door. If anyone enters in by me, he will be saved,

Jesus was not a bragger

Did really Jesus say “ I am the sheep’s door. and repeated again “I am the door.”

Jesus is and has been a door for me as for many others, like the authors of Johns Gospel.

But the language is not Jesus language. He did not like to do miracles and he did not want his disciples to tell the world about is power. He was not a bragger shouting out “I am” this and that. he followed his own teaching “The last will be first… the first will be last”

I am rather convinced that the John Gospel authors, added their own interpretation to spice up the text for their own purposes and to add the dogma that Jesus is God.

Jesus was a good Jew.

He referred many times to previous prophets, like Moses, Jeremiah etc. Now he says All who came before me are thieves and robbers,” ? Some interpret this a referring to the priests of his time.

This is a unintelligent not Jesus alike sentence as it undermines religious tollerance and peace. A sign that these are probably not the words of Jesus. 
Again, a most probably, adding from the Gospel authors, with the goal to to give the early Church the right to “cast out”, kill Hebrews or any other prophet followers and  give themselves the title “shepherd”

Johns author may have found Mark’s description in  06:35 very useful:

“Jesus came out, saw a great multitude, and he had compassion on them, because they were like sheep without a Shepherd,”

Jesus never regarded himself equal to God. God was his father. John MacArthur talks about the OT (Old Testament) importance in the Shepherd image issue. Even if I do not agree about his conclusions, I think it is worth listening to:

the parable

Let us instead focus on the parable to understand its hidden messages.

The shepherd could be a  metaphore for any leader, a king, a president, a politician, a chairman, a doctor, a headmaster,  a teacher, a mother or the owner of  a garden, a dog or a cat.  All of us has something to take care of. All humans must be good shepherds.

many “sheeps” followed Hitler and Stalin but for other reasons. If these sheeps would have been able to, they would have fled, like Einstein and many others did.

The parable tells among others that: 

he goes before them,  and they will by no means follow a stranger, but will flee from him;”

So does your “sheeps” follow behind you by their own will and don’t they flee from you? if yes, then you are probably a good shepherd. I say “probably” as you are not only the owner of your own garden and house. you are also a kind of “owner” of the Creation.

A good shepherd loves his sheeps, He does not damage, use violence nor he shouts or treathens. he makes them stay safe and cured.

As Pope Francis reminded “We are not owners of the Creation” in the “bad owner” sense, we can not do whatever we want with it.

So we could say “We must take care of the Creation that was given to us. We must not behave like a bad owner or human.

A good friend of mine, reminded me about another shepherd parable, the one where the shepherd left the sheep flock to save a sheep left behind. (Matthew 18:12–14) and Luke (Luke 15:3–7) A good shepherd does non abandon anyone. This is also a parable of “Love your next”.

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conclusion

This was the first time that I could not listen to a parable explanation in a Gospel. I think that it is important especially this time, to focus on the parable. It may be interpreted in many ways, the power of a good parable.

Jesus guided us to God. To be a good shepherd is obviously a important way to love God. if you do not love the Creation (animals and enemies included) you do not love God who created it.

It is not easy to be a good shepherd. You have to be patient and teach the right way. This man has not succeeded yet.

This man is obviously a good shepherd. Like Jesus talked about, he is going first and the sheeps follow him.

 

 


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Memories and emotions

I happened to find this youtube.

Laura Pausini is famous all over the world. But her memories makes me remember mine in Torino, where I landed 10 years old and lived for 9 years.

I grew up in that town but f I had to leave Torino 19 years old as a Italian young man born in Sweden but with a 100% Italian hearth.

Now I am back in Italy in our summer/vacation location, Lipari. It has always been my dream in Sweden to come back here where I were  almost every years since 1968 and my German mother later lived and died.

A pluralist agnostic seeker

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