20200105 Logos



Today at the Catholic Mass the John Gospel  (1:1 in English1:1-18 in Italian) is read. This text had a lot of influence on my thinking. What did John mean with the first verse “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God”.

John led me with time to write my illuministic Genesis where Jesus is with God planning the Creation that begun with Big Bang.



The text

John 1:1 says: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things  were made through him. Without him was not anything made that has been made.”

John wrote in Greek so I advice to look at the Greek translation in biblehub.com/interlinear

Johns  Logos has been translated to Word in English,  Verbo in Italian, Verbum in Latin, Livets ord in Swedish

What did John mean with “Logos” I will dedicate time to share my research on “Logos”


The message

Most clerkmen I know about, say  that John is referring to Jesus, the Galilean Hebrew. But how do they interpret the sentence “was in the beginning with God”?

I never got an explication about this sentence, so I came myself to my own answer, that may of course, be wrong.

For me, Jesus soul was in the begining like an angel, planned to get down to Earth when it was the time for this.


In wiki I read that Logos (GreekΛόγοςlit. ”Word”, “Discourse”, or “Reason”)[1] is a name or title of Jesus Christ. That is of course acceptable and understandable but I still can not understand “was in the beginning with God”.

For me this image illustrate the word (Logos) at the beginning.

( Source: ih0.redbubble.net )

These are some of the rules that govern our Universe.

I have hard time to understand this math language, despite being a retired math teacher. Of course God could not have told this to Moses about 6000 years ago when the best math knowledge was Egyptian fractions and numbers without 0 (zero). So God gave Moses a simplified version in Hebrew today known as Genesis

Johns use of logos

I found a very good theological and philosophical discussion about Logos in www.bible-researcher.com. I share here some of the parts, I regard as most interesting.

Marvin Vincent suggests that the use of the word Logos by John “should be seen in the context of theological discourse in the milieu of Hellenistic Judaism (especially after Philo)”.

He further say that
“John used the term Logos with an intent to facilitate the passage from the current theories of his time (ed. Philo etc) to the pure gospel which he proclaimed.”

As Frederic Godet writes: “The word logos, in John, signifies, as in the whole Biblical text, word. In Philo, it signifies, as in the philosophical language of the Greeks, reason.” (Source: www.bible-researcher.com )

The author of www.bible-researcher.com/logos.html says however “that the contemporary Hellenistic understanding of logos in theological contexts (esp. in Philo) should not be discounted by those who wish to understand John’s meaning.”.

I tend to agree with this statement.

Like I will do, read more about logos in www.bible-researcher.com



I agree with the author in bible-researcher who says

“The Hellenistic understanding
of Johns logos in theological contexts
should not be discounted”.

And who knows who spoked to John when he wrote his enygmatic Gospel.

Without any doubt, Johns prologue contains far deeper knowledge than any clerksmen let it look like. 

I have  not finished reading the valuable article above and I need more time to think about it.  

But for now, I feel that  my illuministic hypothesis as I shared in my previous 20180115 page and in  Illuministic Genesis , is still reasonable despite being heretic for fanatic Jews and Christians. 


Jesus message about miracles



Today at Catholic Mass we read Matthew 11:02-11 )

This is one of the few parts were Jesus talks about his own miracles. He talks about his and Gods power, the power of doing miracles, supernatural events.

I wrote about miracles and my faith before in www.kinberg.net/wordpress/stellan/2019/01/20/jesus-miracles/

I do not rely on the miracle stories told by the evangelists but I rely on  their sharing of Jesus words especcially if you find these repeated by the other evangelists. The message of Matthew today about miracles is found also in Luke (see below).

You may argue that Luke may have copied Matthew but that you find the same words in Lukes Gospel is also a sign that the author of Luke must have thought that the Matthew gospel was reliable.

Whatever, when Jesus himself talks about miracles then I listen. His words make me believe Jesus could do miracles like I believe God can.



The message

Matthew 11:02-11 says:

“11:2  Now when John heard in the prison the works of Christ,
he sent two of his disciples and said to him, “ Are you he who comes, or should we look for another?”
11:4 Jesus answered them, “Go and tell John the things
which you hear and see: the blind receive their sight, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed,  the deaf hear, the dead are raised up,  and the poor have good news preached to them. Blessed is he who finds no occasion for stumbling in me.”

Luke use almost the same words as Matthew in Matthew 11:04. Look at Luke 07:22:

07:22 Jesus answered them, “Go and tell John the things which you have seen and heard: that the blind receive their sight, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the
poor have good news preached to them. Blessed is he who finds no occasion for stumbling in me.”



When Jesus said “Go and tell John the things
which you hear and see: the blind receive their sight, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed,  the deaf hear, the dead are raised up”

S Lucia

There are several nice traditions in Sweden. Today is the only day that all Swedes dedicate to a Italian saint, the Saint Lucia of Siracuse. In my school like all others, the school day starts with a Lucia walk and singing. I take the opportunity to share this for you. A Lucia event sent from a church in beautiful Gränna. Click on this link to see it.

. Have a good day. Greeting from a windy Aeolian island. I wish a nice Lucia day to all my Swedish friends.

A agnostic pluralist seeker

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