Mamzer Jesus

INTRODUCTION

I decided to create this page after having read the book “About Jesus” written by Jonas Gardell.

Jonas Gardell who is a believing Christian, tried to give a reasonable picture of the historical Jesus. I love the  Mamzer Jesus vision, that grew in Jonas Gardells mind, during his biblical and historical research.  

In this page, I share what I learned about Jesus with Jonas book.

As this page grew to become very long,  I decided to publish many parts in this page in 26 different posts. I have these linked below.

I published the posts following The Catholic liturgic Mass reading Calendar.

Index

POSTS ABOUT JESUS

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Background

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0. Virgin Marys conception 20181208

Introduction

December 8 

at the >Sunday Mass we listened to Luke 1:26-38

that  tells about how Angel Gabriel came to virgin Mary to tell that she will have  a baby. 

I will in this post talk about the implications of this miracle of God.

Lukes story

illustration below made by Gustave Doré

Luke writes: “26 In the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent by God to a town in Galilee called Nazareth, 27 to a virgin betrothed to a man named Joseph, of the House of David; and the virgin’s name was Mary. 28 He went in and said to her, ‘Rejoice, you who enjoy God’s favour! he Lord is with you.’ 29 She was deeply disturbed by these words and asked herself what this greeting could mean, 30 but the angel said to her, ‘Mary, do not be afraid; you have won God’s favour. 

31 Look! You are to conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you must name him Jesus. 32 He will be great and will be called Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his ancestor David; 33 he will rule over the House of Jacob for ever and his reign will have no end.’  

The angel explains how this will happen:

34 Mary said to the angel, ‘But how can this come about, since I have no knowledge of man?’ 35 The angel answered, ‘The Holy  spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will cover you with its shadow. And so the child will be holy and will be called Son of God. 

Then the angel tells about Marys cousin that also will have a son despite her high age and Mary said thereafter  that she accept this to happen.

Mary – above all the women of the worlds? 

I were surprised that Mary according to the Quran is the 
“above all the women of the worlds.” This has never been said in the Gospel even if Mary is the object of prayer like in  “Ave Maria“.

مريم

Maryam written in Quranic Arabic, Quran 2:87 )

There is no reason to write my own text about Mary when there is a very good one  at Wiki. a text I know is  checked and verified by many Wiki editors. I choose take acopy of it and add a few links 

“Mary (Arabic: مريمtranslit. Maryam), the mother of Jesus (Isa), holds a singularly exalted place in Islam as the only woman named in the Quran, which refers to her 94 times and explicitly identifies her as the greatest of all women,  stating, with reference to the angelic salutation during the annunciation,(Source: Wikipedia) 

Quran 3:42  says:

“O Mary, God has chosen you, and purified you; He has chosen you above all the women of creation.” 

The nineteenth chapter of the scripture, titled “Mary” (Surat  19 ,Maryam ), is named after her. The Quran refers to Mary more often than in the New Testament.

The choosen woman

According to the Quran, divine grace surrounded Mary from birth,and, as a young woman, she received a message from God through the archangel Gabriel (See the illustration above made by Gustave Doré in a  Jibril book from 1877 ) that God had chosen her, purified her, and had preferred her above all “the women of the worlds.”( Qur’an 3:42  )

Annunciation of a child according to the Quran

This event, according to the same narrative, was followed by the annunciation of a child (ed. See miniature above) who was to be miraculously conceived by her through the intervention of the divine spirit while she was still virgin, whose name would be Jesus and who would be the “anointed one,” the Promised Messiah.”

This is in direct opposition with the fact that the Quran 112:3 says that God “neither begets nor is born”. In Arabic written as


biological implications of a conceival

Perisan miniature with Mary and Jesus (Soure: Wiki )

To understand the magnitude of this miracle of God, one has to know that “The human genome contains approximately 3 billion of … base pairs, which reside in the 23 pairs of chromosomes within the nucleus of all our cells.” (Source:  www.genome.gov ) Presuming  that Jesus got half of the DNA from Mary (Source:  https://www.nytimes.com  ) ,God created in a egg in Marys  fallopian tube about1.5 billion base pairs exactly ordered to become a readable code for half of  the proteins  (10.000) Jesus body needed to function normally.

Event that is almost unbelievable

The conceiving of Jesus  is a miracle  so incredible that  it is not strange that many human beings with a minimum of Biology knowledges,  have difficulties to accept and believe in the story of virgin Mary giving birth to a boy.

Panthera rape theory –
Mary raped by a Roman soldier?

Jonas Gardell writes in his book “About Jesus” that this miraculous pregnancy  probably is a invention by the apostles “to throw off the stigma of Jesus having a Roman soldier as a father and to prove that Jesus was God.”  Read more about this in http://www.studythechurch.com

I got this picture as Jesus in many paintings and statues does not look like a Jew at all but  like  a blond and blue eyed  Roman. But for sure the paintings and statues are results of immagination.

How God could achieve this miracle?

I can myself not find an answer with my knowledges about Quantum physics i wrote about in  my article about the Quantum God

About the creation of Adam I came to a answer I described
in my  Enlightened genesis. But for the “creation” of Jesus I am still knocking on a door with noone home.

Muslims indirectly support the  Panthera rape theory  as the Quran 112:3 says that god in one and he neither begets nor is born.

Another  hypothesis I have   is that God may have  fertilized a egg in Mary with a sperm from Joseph like many women do IVT ? This would imply that Jesus would become very similar to Joseph.

Conclusions

I personally believe that God can do anything, even a incredible miracle like that with Mary.

I can at the same time not think of a God that would allow a Roman soldier to rape a young woman for its own purpose that is, to have a body to add his Spirit into. So I am reluctant for the Panthera rape theory.

 

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The Gospels – looking for Jesus

There are almost no doubts about what Jesus teached and said.  The Gospels confirm parts of his teaching. But we must remember that the Gospel writers never lived with Jesus. Paul said he experienced Jesus resurrection (1 Corinthian 15:8 ). Some of his disciples may however have lived when the Gospels were written. Those who followed Jesus and were his Talmidin ( https://www.thattheworldmayknow.com/rabbi-and-talmidim ), recorded for sure accurately what Jesus teached. Their memories later reached  Paul and the evangelists who wrote Mark, Matthews, Luke’ and John’s gospel. Lukes gospel is regarded by many to be the most accurate gospel. There are also suspicions that some New testament texts have been adjused to fit the early church dogmas. bout Mark we can read Clement of  Alexandria said in a letter found  1958,  by Morton Smith, a professor of ancient history at Columbia University, found a previously unknown letter of Clement of Alexandria in the monastery of Mar Saba situated 20 kilometers south-east of Jerusalem.  “when Peter died a martyr, Mark [i.e. Mark the Evangelist] came over to Alexandria, bringing both his own notes and those of Peter, from which he transferred to his former book [i.e. the Gospel of Mark] the things suitable to whatever makes for progress toward knowledge.”

Clement wrote in his letter about the unfalsified Gospel of Mark, later called  “secret gospel  of Mark”. Read more in http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/secretmark.html

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1. The stargazers 20181222

The word stargazers is found in many parts of the Bible. So the arrival of a man like Jesus must have been announced with astral signs too. 

Matthew 2:1-2 told about the wise men who were startgazers,  in his story of Jesus birth.

1 After Jesus had been born at Bethlehem in Judaea during the reign of King Herod, suddenly some wise men came to Jerusalem from the east 2 asking, ‘Where is the infant king of the Jews? We saw his star as it rose and have come to do him homage.”

We know there was a comet visible 5 ad ( adsabs.harvard.edu/ )
Matthew 2:1-2  knowing for sure about this event, was suported by the book of Micah as Micah prophesied about Betlehem in Micah 5:2 with these words:  
1 “But you (Bethlehem) Ephrathah, the least of the clans of Judah, from you will come for me a future ruler of Israel whose origins go back to the distant past, to the days of old.”
the star (ed. comet) led the kings to Betlehem (  www.aboutbibleprophecy.com  )

The birth of Jesus.

Noone knows however the exact date when Jesus was born. The Gospel or secular texts gives an approximate date of birth to be between  between 6 BC and 4 BC

Most scholars assume a date of birth between 6 BC and 4 BC based on the known death of Herod 4 bC and the date of the comet mentioneed above.

Why December 25

according to Luke jesus was born when :

8 In the countryside close by there were shepherds out in the fields keeping guard over their sheep during the watches of the night.”  ( Luke 2:7-8 ).

As can be read in www.ucg.org December 25 is a unlikely date for Jesus birthbecause of the cold climate in Israel in December. More probable is that December may have been the date of jesus conception and the birth of Jesus in September as the “were shepherds out in the fields” at the birth of Jesus.

The date December 25 was set by the Catholic church in the Gregorian calendar. The Gregorian calendar signed 1582 “resulted from a perceived need to reform the method of calculating dates of Easter.” (Source: eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov )

There are two reason for the choice of December 25

  1. .”December 25 may have been selected due to its proximity to the winter solstice, because of its theological significance. After the solstice, the days begin to lengthen with more sunlight, which Christians see as representing the Light of Christ entering the world.”
  2. (Source:  www.catholic.com  )
  3. 25 December might be a reference to the date of the Feast of the Dedication, which occurs on the 25 Kislev of the Jewish calendar. This would require that early Christians simply translated Kislev directly to December.” (May be a speculation in  en.wikipedia.org as no source is given there )

 

2. A UNPLEASANT START FOR JOSEPH, MARY AND JESUS. 20181224

Introduction

We are approaching December 25.  The birth of Jesus is followed by problems.

Matthew1:19   says: 

“Because Joseph her husband was faithful to the law, and yet did not want to expose her to public disgrace, he had in mind to divorce her quietly”

Joseph was  thinking about exposing Mary  to public disgrace with a divorce but he had according to Matthew1:20 a revealing dream:

20 He had made up his mind to do this when suddenly the angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, ‘Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because she has conceived what is in her by the Holy Spirit.

Joseph got that saving dream. But Marys and Josephs neighbors? probably not.

Let us move to Nazareth were this probably happened and imagine yourself outisde your house. there you met  the  beautiful young girl neighbor of yours since many years and you see that she is pregnant.  She is yet not married. What   the first question you probably will ask is…. 

“Who is the father of the baby?”

2000 years ago the tollerance was not like it is today. Not only.

the rule followed at that time, was among others

 Deuteronomy 22:20. Imagine a girl who was raped. Deuteronomy makes no distinction. it simply says 20 “But if the accusation that the girl cannot show evidence of virginity is substantiated, 21 she must be taken out, and at the door of her father’s house her fellow-citizens must stone her to death for having committed an infamy in Israel “. To remember that not all girls bleed the first time they had sex.

How about Jesus?

Joseph saved Mary thanks to the dream he had. But what can happen with the baby, in this case Jesus?

Deuteronomy 23:2  says that 3 “No half-breed may be admitted to the assembly of Yahweh; not even his descendants to the tenth generation may be admitted to the assembly of Yahweh.”

The newborn (Jesus) is to be  repudiated. 

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3. The name of Jesus – 20181225

The name “Jesus, son of Mary” written in Arabic calligraphy
(isa ibn Maryam), 
followed by “peace be upon him.” بلال الدويك

 

The name of Jesus appears appears 72 time(s) in 59 verse(s) in Quran in Mohsin Khan translation in the Quran.

In the Bible it is of course more. You find the word 7990 times. https://www.catholic.org/search/bible/?q=jesus

(  Source: https://www.vox.com

 Iēsous (Greek: Ἰησοῦς), the Greek form of the Hebrew name Yeshua (Hebrew: ישוע‎). As its roots lie in the name Yeshua, it is etymologically related to another biblical name, Joshua.

Jesus Christ is  called यीशु मसीह (Yīśu masīha) in Hindi. very similar to the Arabic Isa.

https://www.quora.com

What does the name mean?

“The name Jesus means ‘Savior’. It is the same name as Joshua in the Old Testament. It is given to our Lord because “He saves His people from their sins.The Song of Solomon describes the experience of many, when it says, “Your name is oil poured forth” (Song of Solomon 1:3)” (Source: www.christianity.com/jesus/is-jesus-god/names-of-jesus/what-does-the-name-jesus-mean.html )

4. Geneaology of Jesus – 20181222

Matthew and Luke describes the Geneaology of Jesus in different ways. You find a Maternal ancestry in Luke.  Luke’s genealogy is of Mary, with Eli being her father, while Matthew’s describes a paternal genealogy.

Matthew starts with Abraham, while Luke begins with Adam.
The lists are identical between Abraham and David (I marked these parts with green text), but differ radically from Jesus to David and from Abraham  backwards to Adam in Luke. ( I marked these text in red )

To make them comparable, I reordered so both start from Jesus.

According to Matthew 1:16
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According to Luke 3:23
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jesus is
the son of Joseph,
the son of Jacob,
the son of Matthan,
15 the son of Eleazar,
the son of Elihud,
the son of Akim,
the son of Zadok,
the son of Azor,
the son of Eliakim,
13 the son of Abihud,
the son of Zerubbabel,
was the son of Shealtiel,
the son of Jeconiah[c] and his brothers
the son of Josiah,
the son of Amon,
the son of Manasseh,
Ahaz the son of Hezekiah,
Jotham the son of Ahaz,
9 Uzziah the son of Jotham,
Jehoram the son of Uzziah,
Jehoshaphat the son of Jehoram,
8 Asa the son of Jehoshaphat,
Abijah the son of Asa,
Rehoboam the son of Abijah,
7 the son of Rehoboam,
was the son of Solomon, whose mother had been Uriah’s wife,
the son of King David.
the son of Jesse,
the son of Obed, whose mother was Ruth,
the son of Boaz, whose mother was Rahab,
the son of Salmon,
he son of Nahshon,
the son of Amminadab,
the son of Ram,
the son of Hezron,
the son of Perez and Zerah, whose mother was Tamar,
the son of Judah and his brothers,
the son of Jacob,
2 was the son of Isaac,
Abraham
Jesus is
the son of Mary,
the son of Heli,
the son of Matthat,
the son of Levi,
the son of Melchi,
the son of Jannai,
the son of Joseph,
the son of Mattathias,
the son of Amos,
the son of Nahum,
the son of Esli,
the son of Naggai,
the son of Maath,
the son of Mattathias,
the son of Semein,
the son of Josech,
the son of Joda
the son of Joanan,
the son of Rhesa,
the son of Zerubbabel,
the son of Shealtiel,[a]
the son of Neri
the son of Melchi,
the son of Addi,
the son of Cosam,
the son of Elmadam,
the son of Er, 29
the son of Joshua,
the son of Eliezer,
the son of Jorim,
the son of Matthat,
the son of Levi
the son of Simeon,
the son of Judah,
the son of Joseph,
the son of Jonam,
the son of Eliakim
the son of Melea,
the son of Menna,
the son of Mattatha,
the son of Nathan,
the son of David
the son of Jesse,
the son of Obed,
the son of Boaz,
the son of Sala,
the son of Nahshon
the son of Amminadab,
the son of Admin,
the son of Arni,
the son of Hezron,
the son of Perez,
the son of Judah
the son of Jacob,
the son of Isaac,
the son of Abraham,
the son of Terah,
the son of Nahor
the son of Serug,
the son of Reu,
the son of Peleg,
the son of Eber,
the son of Shelah
the son of Cainan,
the son of Arphaxad,
the son of Shem,
the son of Noah,
the son of Lamech
the son of Methuselah,
the son of Enoch,
the son of Jared,
the son of Mahalaleel,
the son of Cainan
the son of Enos,
the son of Seth,
the son of Adam,
the son of God.”

 

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The unknown Jesus 20181228

Introduction

December 28.  Jesus is growing. Almost nothing is known about Jesus youth. This is excerpt 5 from  a  page about Jesus I am working with and will publish in its final form after Easter 2019.

About  Jesus infancy, childhood and youth. The  silent years of Jesus.

We read about Jesus conceived in Nazareth,  born in Betlehem and grown up in Nazareth. we read about him  when he is about 12 year old in  Luke 2:49.

Mark starts his Gospel with Jesus, maybe 30 years old,  being baptized by John.

Searching fro a picture in  the Old Testament

It looks like the gospel authors studied the old testament (OT) to get a picture of Jesus life. They  tried to draw a picture of the historical Jesus birth, childhood and youth, with inspiration  from the old books, like about the birthplace of Jesus, taken from Mika:

  • Mika 5:2 (“But you, O Bethlehem of Ephrathah,
        who are one of the little clans of Judah,
    from you shall come forth for me
        one who is to rule in Israel,
  • Salomos 7:4 (I was nursed with care in swaddling cloths. For no king has had a different beginning of existence;”).

jesus youth – a paraphrase of the life of Moses

They made the life of Jesus a paraphrase of the life of Moses who too was saved in Egypt and then similarly met his people on a mountain, Moses on Sion and Jesus outside Jerusalem. 

very little  is said about Jesus  infancy and childhood experiences. We read about Jesus being a  baby in the craddle. Beside the 12 year old boy in the synagogue story, from his birth until he were baptized there is a complete darkness.

Marks first writing about the historical Jesus was At that time Jesus came from Nazareth in Galilee and was baptized by John in the Jordan.”  ( mark/1-9.htm ) “And a voice came from heaven: “You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased.” ( mark/1-11.htm )

Matthew (Levi according to Mark) and Luke never met Jesus and had great troubles figuring out about Jesus birth and childhood. Markus who was the first to write a Gospel about Jesus, didn’t give Matthew and Luke any help.

Despite the accurate Roman documentation tradition, Josephus is the only historian telling about a Jesus in the words “Jesus called Messiah”

Talmids only shared what Jesus teached. Find a answer about Jesus birth, childhood and youth in the old testament,  was a tricky issue to deal with. All agreed the mother was called Mary, a woman who lived in Nazareth. They knew Jesus was the “son of Mary”. But as i asked in a previous post. Who was the father?

Voices in the first two centuries told Mary was raped by a Roman soldier. This Roman soldier was given the name Pantera.

Matthew and Luke must have wondered. They did not like these bad talks.

A few have tried to fill the gap

I am not the only one who try to figure out how the life of the young Jesus may have been.

  1. one is the film “The Young Messiah”  a 2016 American biblical drama film directed by Cyrus Nowrasteh and co-written by Betsy Giffen Nowrasteh and Nowrasteh, based on the novel Christ the Lord: Out of Egypt by Anne Rice. See ww1.theyoungmessiah.com
  2. truthbook.com/jesus/jesus-teenage-years shares a story but gives no reliable sources. It tells about a happy youth with Jesus playing harp etc. because of Jesus teaching about children and his status, I believe that Jesus had a completely different kind of childhood.
  3.  Jonas Gardell is the one who has done the most serious  research about Jesus in his book. His arguments about a Mamzer Jesus is well grounded. I will come back to this in my coming posts.

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6. The difficult youth of Jesus  -181230

 introduction

December 30.  Jesus is growing. he was not a normal boy and may have suffered druing his childhood. This is excerpt 6 from  a  page about Jesus I am working with and will publish in its final form after Easter 2019.

Jesus is 12 year and is in the Temple talking with the adults. Mary and Joseph are there and are anxious after having searched  for him.  He

“49  replied, ‘Why were you looking for me? Did you not know that I must be in my Father’s house?'”
This is the only text describing a young Jesus in the Gospels. You find it in  Luke 2:49

Jesus is not like other children his age, playing games with other childrens.

How were his first 12 years? Did they ridiculed  him like they did years later when he was an adult? ( (Matthew 9: 24 )

He was a special boy, born by a unknown father. He probably did not look like his father.
Neighboors maybe  talked bad about him and his mother while their childrens listened.

Deuteronomy 23:2 supported such a treatment with this text:

HEB:  לֹא־ יָבֹ֥א מַמְזֵ֖ר בִּקְהַ֣ל יְהוָ֑ה
NAS: No one of illegitimate birth shall enter the assembly of the LORD

Jesus was special, he was intelligent. He may have therefore been  a treath for other envious weak childrens in the small village of Nazareth, children looking for respect and power. Like he was as an adult. 

If bullyism existed, he was a typical victim of bullyism. I wrote about bullyism in one of my pages.  As I documented there.  Famous  Henry Thomas alias “ET-boy” and Jack Lloyd, child actor in Star Trek suffered bullyism. Why not also Jesus?

Jesus may have been quantum entangled with God and therefore talked with the knowledge of God.  But his body language may have given a special weight to his speech, when he talked about childrens.

He knew what it meant for a children to be

  • ridiculed as he maybe himself probably was ridiculed by other childrens
  • he knew how important it was to be able to love your enemy as he himself had to love enemies to have them change strategy.
  • he knew how weak childrens can be as he himself has felt that weakness.

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Mark starts his Gospel with Jesus, maybe 30 years old,  being baptized by John.

Searching for a picture of Jesus in  the Old Testament

It looks like the gospel authors studied the old testament (OT) to get a picture of Jesus life. They  tried to draw a picture of the historical Jesus birth, childhood and youth, with inspiration  from the old books, like about the birthplace of Jesus, taken from Mika:

  • Mika 5:2 (“But you, O Bethlehem of Ephrathah,
        who are one of the little clans of Judah,
    from you shall come forth for me
        one who is to rule in Israel,
  • Salomos 7:4 (I was nursed with care in swaddling cloths. For no king has had a different beginning of existence;”).

jesus youth – a paraphrase of the life of Moses

They made the life of Jesus a paraphrase of the life of Moses who too was saved in Egypt and then similarly met his people on a mountain, Moses on Sion and Jesus outside Jerusalem. 

very little  is said about Jesus  infancy and childhood experiences. We read about Jesus being a  baby in the craddle. Beside the 12 year old boy in the synagogue story, from his birth until he were baptized there is a complete darkness.

Marks first writing about the historical Jesus was At that time Jesus came from Nazareth in Galilee and was baptized by John in the Jordan.”  ( mark/1-9.htm ) “And a voice came from heaven: “You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased.” ( mark/1-11.htm )

Matthew (Levi according to Mark) and Luke never met Jesus and had great troubles figuring out about Jesus birth and childhood. Markus who was the first to write a Gospel about Jesus, didn’t give Matthew and Luke any help.

Despite the accurate Roman documentation tradition, Josephus is the only historian telling about a Jesus in the words “Jesus called Messiah”

Talmids only shared what Jesus teached. Find a answer about Jesus birth, childhood and youth in the old testament,  was a tricky issue to deal with. All agreed the mother was called Mary, a woman who lived in Nazareth. They knew Jesus was the “son of Mary”. But as i asked in a previous post. Who was the father?

Voices in the first two centuries told Mary was raped by a Roman soldier. This Roman soldier was given the name Pantera.

Matthew and Luke must have wondered. They did not like these bad talks.

A few have tried to fill the gap

I am not the only one who try to figure out how the life of the young Jesus may have been.

  1. one is the film “The Young Messiah”  a 2016 American biblical drama film directed by Cyrus Nowrasteh and co-written by Betsy Giffen Nowrasteh and Nowrasteh, based on the novel Christ the Lord: Out of Egypt by Anne Rice.
  2.  ww1.theyoungmessiah.com  shares a Public Domain story taken from the Urantia book written by a anonymous author 1924-55 in Chicago.  There are no reliable sources given. It tells about a happy youth with Jesus playing harp etc.
  3. Jonas Gardell is the one who has done the most serious  research about Jesus in his book. His arguments about a Mamzer Jesus arewell grounded.

A few video raise this issue too.  This is one from National Geographics:

Conclusion

Because of Jesus teaching about children and his status, I believe like Jonas Gardell,  that Jesus had a completely different kind of childhood.

 I will come back to this in a coming posts.

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At the time of Jesus Deuteronomy said.

Deuteronomy 23:2

HEB: לֹא־ יָבֹ֥א מַמְזֵ֖ר בִּקְהַ֣ל יְהוָ֑ה

NAS: No one of illegitimate birth shall enter

INT: the assembly of the LORD

( Deuteronomy 23:2 )

Mathew and Luke knew that Jesus talked in the Synagogue so he could not have been of “illegitimate birth” despite evil voices. He was documented as son of a Carpenter. As mark/6-3.htm wrote“Isn’t this the carpenter? Isn’t this Mary’s son and the brother of James, Joseph, Judas and Simon? Aren’t his sisters here with us?” And they took offense at him.”. But nothing is said about a father.

 

God could not allow a son of illegitimate birth to become a prophet. He must have had a father. Matthew and Luke who for sure studied the old testament, found out that a answer may be:
Jesus must have been of a no sexual birth. Mary must have been made pregnant with the help of God.

 

Whatever the answer is, God is after all omnipotent

imagine that your neighbour young woman suddenly is seen pregnant. What is your first spontaneous question?

belief contradictions

Jesus is not God

“2 ‘I am Yahweh your God who brought you out of Egypt, where you lived as slaves. 3 ‘You shall have no other gods to rival me.” ( Exodus 20:2  ). This is what the Muslims follows. Christians who claim that Jesus is God are heretics.  the Muslims regard Jesus as the only prophet who could make miracles “‘Îsa (Jesus), the son of Maryam (Mary), clear signs and supported him with ruh-ul-Qudus ” ( Quran 2:87  ).
The Hebrews never recognized Jesus as the Messiah.

Jesus as a Jew, never claimed to be God nor asked his disciples to pray to him.

As God present itself In Ecclesiasticus 3 with

“1 Children, listen to me for I am your father: do what I tell you, and so be safe; … “

So Jesus always talked about God as our and his father Look at:

  • Matthew 6:1
    1 ‘Be careful not to parade your uprightness in public to attract attention; otherwise you will lose all reward from your Father in heaven.
  • Luke 23:34
    34 Jesus said, ‘Father, forgive them; they do not know what they are doing.’ Then they cast lots to share out his clothing.
  • John 14:2
    2 In my Father’s house there are many places to live in; otherwise I would have told you.
  • 15:1
    1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the vinedresser.
  • 17:1
    1 After saying this, Jesus raised his eyes to heaven and said: Father, the hour has come: glorify your Son so that your Son may glorify you

Once once on the cross, he used the Aramaic name Eli ( Elohim in hebrew also used in Genesis) as described in Matthew 27:6.

46 And about the ninth hour, Jesus cried out in a loud voice, ‘Eli, eli, lama sabachthani?’ that is, ‘My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?’

Andf Paul confirms that in 2 Corinthians 5:19 saying

19 I mean, God was in Christ reconciling the world to himself,”

This false Catholic dogma is the origins of Muslims regarding some Christians as heretic as there is according to them, only one God as is also stated in the Hebrew law

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27. The Trinity dogma 20190619

introduction

On Sunday 16 June the Holy Trinity was celebrated. (Source la chiesa.it ).  Many have argued against the trinity dogma that the Father, the Son, and the holy spirit together form one God, among others the jehovah witnesses. 

index

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Trinity – definition

www.catholic.org  says that “The Trinity is the term employed to signify ….  that in the unity of the Godhead there are Three Persons:

  • the Father
  • the Son,
  • and the Holy Spirit,

and concludes that “these Three Persons being truly distinct one from another.”

And the Anastasian creed says “the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, and yet there are not three Gods but one God.”

www.britannica.com defines Trinity as “the unity of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as three persons in one Godhead.” God defined as 

  1. as Creator, Lord of the history of salvation, Father, and Judge, as revealed in the Old Testament;
  2. as the Lord who, in the incarnated figure of Jesus Christ, lived among human beings and was present in their midst as the “Resurrected One”; and
  3. as the Holy Spirit, whom they experienced as the helper or intercessor in the power of the new life.

read more in www.britannica.com 

The Trinity Teachings began to be officially formulated in 325 C.E.

M;uslims understand the Christian Trinity as a kind of Polytheism as tehy often reply with the Quran 5:73 verse that saysthere is no god except one God.”and Quran 112:1 that says  “He is Allah, [who is] One”

The Muslim Holy Spirit

Muslims  believe in a  Pure Spirit sometimes translated as “The “Holy Spirit” (Quran 16:101 )

About Jesus we read in Quran 2:87  “And We gave Jesus, the son of Mary, clear proofs and supported him with the Pure Spirit” 

But the Quranic  “the Pure spirit” is not to be confused with the Christian “Holy Spirit”.

The Quranic  “the Pure spirit” is a kind of antonomasia for Angel Gabriel.

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Miguel Serveto sentenced to death

Miguel Serveto was convicted of heresy and sentenced to death 16 october 1553 and died in Geneva the day after.

His crime was that he could not reconcile the Trinity  teachings of the Protestant church with his own studies of the Bible.
He published “De trinitatis erroribus” and “Dialogorum de Trinitate” in Switzerland. In these books, Servetus built a theology which maintains that the belief of the Trinity is not based on biblical teachings but rather on what he saw as deceiving teachings of (Greek) philosophers.

In part he hoped that the dismissal of the Trinitarian dogma would also make Christianity more appealing to Judaism and Islam, which had remained as strictly monotheistic religions.

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Antitrinitarianism today

Muslims of course find that the trintity dogma is a heresy.

But also Jehovah witnesses dont agree with this dogma. read more in www.jw.org

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Conclusion

God is of course one. But as the Universe has many dimensions (11?), God may not be seen as a bi or tri-dimensional entity.

There isa  good reason we should not make images of God as this gives a false image of God. God has no form, no shape.

But I personally believe may appear to us in different ways, maybe as www.britannica.com ecplained it: God in the shape of 

  • a creator
  • a Holy Spirit that gave Jesus and his disciples, the power to make miracles,
  • words xoming to us through messengers , like Angel Gabriel, Jesus, and other prophets.

I think it would be interesting to read more about Servetus “ deceiving teachings of (Greek) philosophers.

Miguel Seveto

Miguel Serveto was convicted of heresy and sentenced to death 16 october 1553 and died in Geneva the day after. His crime was that he could not reconcile the Trinity  teachings of the Protestant church with his own studies of the Bible.
He published “De trinitatis erroribus” and “Dialogorum de Trinitate” in Switzerland. In these books, Servetus built a theology which maintains that the belief of the Trinity is not based on biblical teachings but rather on what he saw as deceiving teachings of (Greek) philosophers. In part he hoped that the dismissal of the Trinitarian dogma would also make Christianity more appealing to Judaism and Islam, which had remained as strictly monotheistic religions.

Probably as Jesus was baptized 30 years old, Of paedobaptism, Michael Servetus had said, “It is an invention of the devil, an infernal falsity for the destruction of all Christianity.”
( Source: www.newworldencyclopedia.org/ )

 

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prayer to Saints

The Romans had many Gods. Today we have many Saints.

As I wrote about in  William Tyndale came to came to denounce the practice of prayer to Saints. He understood that Man’s salvation from first to last depends on God alone. ” (Source: Wiki )

he birth of Jesus.

 

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Who was father of jesus?

 

A man who really loves that girl saving her from evil voices, would protect  her, telling “I am the father”

 

Two thousand years ago that was a important question that could have led to death by lapidation.


Remind that Mary the mother of Jesus disappears after they sought Jesus. She never followed her son to Golgata. Was Mary lapidated by people following Deuteronomy+22%3A13-21&version=NIV

7. Possession of translated Bible = heresy 20190101

catholic decrees

Decree of the Council of Toulouse (1229 C.E.): “We prohibit also that the laity should be permitted to have the books of the Old or New Testament; but we most strictly forbid their having any translation of these books.”

The Jews may have wonder at this time if the Catholic Church was trying to steal their sacred texts for their own purposes.

Ruling of the Council of Tarragona of 1234 C.E.: “No one may possess the books of the Old and New Testaments in the Romance language, and if anyone possesses them he must turn them over to the local bishop within eight days after promulgation of this decree, so that they may be burned…”
( Source: www.huffingtonpost.com )

The Bible did not exist in other languages than Latin and Greek.

John Wycliffe translated the Bible to English and was sentenced to death for this, 1384. 

Wycliffs handwritten  translated Bible circulated however illegally. But owner of  his translation were all accused of heresy and sentenced to death at the stake by burning.

William Tyndale born 1494 hated the Catholic Church banishment of the English Bible. he was also one of the few who understood Greek and Latin.  he also undestood German. As England was Catholic and his life in danger, he fled to Germany.

In Germany there was a  Lutheran  German version available . 

William made there in Germany a  new translation of the Greek New Testament (NT) Williams translation had  a language that everyone could understand. As his NT  was printed. The book was printed in huge quantities in Antwerpen. As it  was a small book it was easy to smuggle to England.

Studying the NT, William Tyndale came to denounce the practice of prayer to Saints. He understood that Man’s salvation from first to last depends on God alone. 

William Tyndale was caught in Antwerp, in prisoned in Vilvoord in Belgium and sentenced 1535 to be burned to death in England.

He finally was strangled to death while tied at the stake October 1536, and then his dead body was burned”. (Source: www.jw.org/en/publications/videos/#en/mediaitems/VODBibleTranslations/docid- 502017150_1_VIDEO )

15 years after his death the William Tyndale NT became legal because the King of England wanted to divorce but could do that only by becoming a Protestant.

The King James Bible is 90% William Tyndales translation. Look at the video in https://www.jw.org/en/publications/videos/#en/mediaitems/VODBibleTranslations/docid- 502017150_1_VIDEO

or  this in this video:

Why

The Catholic church may have wanted to hide that

  • Jesus was a practicing Jew
  • Jesus never talked for a creation of a new religion
  • Parts of the NT were to remain hidden (Love your enemy”? to qallow the DCatholic church to kill)
  • Parts fo the NT were not historically correct (Some are fantasies written to support Catholic dogmas, especcially about the birth and youth of Jesus as I have talked about in previous posts)
  • parts of the NT were not correctly translated (like e.g. Greek “stauros” to “cross” instead of “pole” )

www.justforcatholics.org writes that

‘In early times, the Bible was read freely by the lay people, and the Fathers constantly encourage them to do so, although they also insist on the obscurity of the sacred text. No prohibitions were issued against the popular reading of the Bible. New dangers came during the Middle Ages. When the heresy of the Albigenses arose there was a danger from corrupt translations, and also from the fact that the heretics tried to make the faithful judge the Church by their own interpretation of the Bible. To meet these evils, the Council of Toulouse (1229) and Tarragona (1234) forbade the laity to read the vernacular translations of the Bible. Pius IV required the bishops to refuse lay persons leave to read even Catholic versions of the Scripture, unless their confessors or parish priests judged that such readings was likely to prove beneficial.’

Read more  in

 https://www.huffingtonpost.com/bernard-starr/why-christians-were-denied-access-to-their-bible-for-1000-years_b_3303545.html

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belief contradictions

Did Jesus exist? – The Crist – Myth

I have never had any doubt about  that, after reading the Gospel and the Quran about Jesus and what happened in the Roman Empire after the spreading of his messages and information about his life and death.  But many atheists question the existence of  Jesus as among others he is not mentioned by the many normally very precise Roman Empire historians like e.g.   Herodotus  and Tacitus. Only Josephus mentions

Geneaology of Jesus

The stargazers

The birth of Jesus.

 

Who was the father of Jesus

Jesus from Nazareth born in Betlehem

introduction

At the mass january 

index

 

Annunciation of a child

This event, according to the same narrative, was followed by the annunciation of a child (ed. See miniature above) who was to be miraculously conceived by her through the intervention of the divine spirit while she was still virgin, whose name would be Jesus and who would be the “anointed one,” the Promised Messiah.”

The  Gospel of Luke tells like this “26 God sent the angel Gabriel to Nazareth  28 The angel went to her and said, You will conceive and give birth to a son, and you are to call him Jesus. 32 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High.

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10. Jesus ministry declarations 20190127

introduction

Sunday  27 January at the Catholic mass we read about the minsistry declaration of Jesus. 

jesus mission declaration

As you can read in Luke 4, 14-21  ” 14 Jesus, with the power of the Spirit in him, returned to Galilee; and his reputation spread throughout the countryside. 15 He taught in their synagogues and everyone glorified him. 16 He came to Nazara, where he had been brought up, and went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day as he usually did. He stood up to read, 17 and they handed him the scroll of the prophet Isaiah. Unrolling the scroll he found the place where it is written:

jesus declaration

The spirit of the Lord is on me

18 The spirit of the Lord is on me, for he has anointed me…

  • to bring the good news to the afflicted. He has sent me
  • to proclaim liberty to captives,
  • sight to the blind, to
  • let the oppressed go free, 19 
  • to proclaim a year of favour from the Lord. 20 

He then rolled up the scroll, gave it back to the assistant and sat down. And all eyes in the synagogue were fixed on him. 21 Then he began to speak to them,

‘This text is being fulfilled today even while you are listening.’

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12 Is Jesus God? 190210

John 10:30 ” reports that Jesus said “I and the father are one” But does that mean Jesus said “I am God” I strongly doubt that as he often talked about God as his father (for me “father” can be understood as “my Creator”). I would rather read “I and the father ” like “I and God are soulmates” or like “I am a image of God”. But this is valid for all of us, not only Jesus.

I could myself say “my dog  and I and are one.” like being soulmates  but that doesn’t mean that I am a dog.

Muslim arguments against

Muslim sources refer to the fact that Jesus was tempted by the devil in the desert and God/Allah would never allow that or Satan would never be able to do that as God  has more power than Satan.

Presuming that  Christians are right , that Jesus really is God, ” the devil in the desert temptation” story could be a way for God  to warn us humans “Be careful of the Whisperings of the Devil.

Jesus entangled to Allah.

Muslims and Christians agree however that  Jesus could do miracles. Jesus could according to the Gospels, see things only Allah could (e.g. people and donkeys moving around in Jerusalem ) when he was outside Jerusalem.

Aboutr Jesus being god, the Muslim are right in their arguing that a God would not be “tempted” by the devil as Jesus was in the desert. Quran 17/111 says ““and not is for him a partner in his dominion”  Muslims conclude therefore hat “Jesus is therefore not God.”

Wala yakur Lahu sharikun by al mulki

“and not is for him a partner in his dominion”

Jesus  certainly did not meant that he and God were partner in the dominion”. Everything was done with the permission of God, Jesus worshipped many times.

But Muslims recognize Jesus was the only one who could make miracles.

Some miracles show that  Jesus may have been “quantum entangled” with Allah, thinking that Jesus could see things only Allah could (e.g. see people and donkeys moving around in Jerusalem when he was outside, know names and story of the Samaritan woman etc.).

Maybe Jesus in his “Me and my father are one” talked in the sense of being able to do miracles, have divine sight and knowledge and have the same goals. I understand from the Gospels and Jesus praying that God decided over Jesus.

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14. JESUS AND LUCIFER 20190310

Introduction

I have written about the devil in a previous post. You find it at http://www.kinberg.net/wordpress/stellan/2018/04/24/iblis-whisperings/ 

Today at Catholic Mass we read about Jesus encounter with Lucifer in Luke 4,1-13.

index

  • Matthew and Luke about Jesus encounter
  • Lucifer acts on you when you are weak
  • Lucifer uses  the sophist abilities
  • conclusion
  • Source

Matthew and Luke about Jesus encounter

Matthew and Luke uses the same words but the story about the devil and Jesus  in Gerusalem differs. Matthew tells that Jesus was asked to trow himself down from the temple first and then  offered power over the worlds. Luke tells jesus was tested during 40 days.

Matthew 4:1-11 says:1 Then Jesus was led by the Spirit out into the desert to be put to the test by the devil.

2 He fasted for forty days and forty nights, after which he was hungry,

3 and the tester came and said to him, ‘If you are Son of God, tell these stones to turn into loaves.’

4 But he replied, ‘Scripture says: Human beings live not on bread alone but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.’

5 The devil then took him to the holy city and set him on the parapet of the Temple.

6 ‘If you are Son of God,’ he said, ‘throw yourself down; for scripture says: He has given his angels orders about you, and they will carry you in their arms in case you trip over a stone.’

7 Jesus said to him, ‘Scripture also says: Do not put the Lord your God to the test.’

8 Next, taking him to a very high mountain, the devil showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendour.

9 And he said to him, ‘I will give you all these, if you fall at my feet and do me homage.’

10 Then Jesus replied, ‘Away with you, Satan! For scripture says: The Lord your God is the one to whom you must do homage, him alone you must serve.’

11 Then the devil left him, and suddenly angels appeared and looked after him.

 

Luke 4,1-13. text says:“Filled with the Holy Spirit, Jesus left the Jordan and was led by the Spirit into the desert,

2 for forty days being put to the test by the devil. During that time he ate nothing and at the end he was hungry.

3 Then the devil said to him, ‘If you are Son of God, tell this stone to turn into a loaf.

4 But Jesus replied, ‘Scripture says: Human beings live not on bread alone.’

5 Then leading him to a height,the devil showed him in a moment of time all the kingdoms of the world

6 and said to him, ‘I will give you all this power and their splendour, for it has been handed over to me, for me to give it to anyone I choose.

7 Do homage, then, to me, and it shall all be yours.’

8 But Jesus answered him, ‘Scripture says: You must do homage to the Lord your God, him alone you must serve.’

9 Then he led him to Jerusalem and set him on the parapet of the Temple. ‘If you are Son of God,’ he said to him, ‘throw yourself down from here,

10 for scripture says: He has given his angels orders about you, to guard you, and again:

11 They will carry you in their arms in case you trip over a stone.’

12 But Jesus answered him, ‘Scripture says: Do not put the Lord your God to the test.’

13 Having exhausted every

way of putting him to the test, the devil left him, until the opportune moment.”

Lucier act on you when you are weak

Jesus had hunger when Lucifer contacted him. he acted on Eve who did not have knowledge. So he acts on people afflicted by rage  inviting to revenge.

Lucifer uses  the sophist abilities

Lucifer uses the scripture in his motivation, as described by Luke, using Psalm 91:11 that says “he has given his angels orders about you to guard you wherever you go.”.

Conclusion

Lucifer convinces with knowledges. Like Eve did once, humans listen sometimes to the wisperings of the devil . Matthew and Luke tells how Jesus behaved with the devil. Jesus answered with wisdom. So should we do.

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15 Jesus and the prophets 20190317

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Introduction

At the catholic mass March 17, we read about Jesus encounter with the Prophets Moses and Elia.

index

  • introduction
  • Luke about the encounter
  • Jesus, God or the greatest prophet

Luke about the encounter

Luke 9,28-36 says

28 Now about eight days after this had been said, he took with him Peter, John and James and went up the mountain to pray29 And it happened that, as he was praying, the aspect of his face was changed and his clothing became sparkling white. 30 And suddenly there were two men talking to him; they were Moses and Elijah 31 appearing in glory, and they were speaking of his passing which he was to accomplish in Jerusalem. 32 Peter and his companions were heavy with sleep, but they woke up and saw his glory and the two men standing with him. 33 As these were leaving him, Peter said to Jesus, ‘Master, it is wonderful for us to be here; so let us make three shelters, one for you, one for Moses and one for Elijah.’ He did not know what he was saying. 34 As he was saying this, a cloud came and covered them with shadow; and when they went into the cloud the disciples were afraid. 35 And a voice came from the cloud saying, ‘This is my Son, the Chosen One. Listen to him.’” 36 And after the voice had spoken, Jesus was found alone. The disciples kept silence and, at that time, told no one what they had seen.”.

Jesus, God or the greatest prophet

Thias text reminds us that Jesus is not God but a great prophet, a prophet that is at the level of Moses.i would say that Jesus is the greatest prophet bwing  entangled with God. I I wrote about the entanglement in www.kinberg.net/wordpress/stellan/2019/02/10/12-is-jesus-god-20190210/#entangled

As Muslims recognize Jesus, “Isa ibn Maryam” the only prophet filled with special signs and the Holy Spirit and  able to do miracles, something that even Muhammed (PBUH) couldnt do.

Jesus, God or the greatest prophet

Thias text reminds us that Jesus is not God but a great prophet, a prophet that is at the level of Moses.i would say that Jesus is the greatest prophet bwing  entangled with God. I I wrote about the entanglement in www.kinberg.net/wordpress/stellan/2019/02/10/12-is-jesus-god-20190210/#entangled

As Muslims recognize Jesus, “Isa ibn Maryam” the only prophet filled with special signs and the Holy Spirit and  able to do miracles, something that even Muhammed (PBUH) couldnt do.

Is Allah the father of Jesus ?

Who is the biological father of Jesus.  that is whose mans DNA did Jesus inherit? of course not Gods.  Quran 112/3 say

He neither begets nor is born,

And quran.com/17/111 says that Allah “has not taken a son “

When Jesus talked about “his father” he of course didn’t intend “my biological father that shared with me his DNA” I presume Jesus looked at God as a “spiritual father”a father in the sense of  his Creator in the whomb of Mary. The quran never specifies the kind of sonship.

Muslims correctly claims Jesus was not Gods son in the biological sense of the word. But since Muslims recognize that mary was virgin who is the biological father of Jesus?

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8. Jesus baptism 20190113

introduction

January 13 the Catholic Mass read about Jesus baptism 30 years old. Jesus baptism has been discussed since the begining of Christianity.

As neonatal death  was very common 2000 yeaes ago.  the Catholic chruch started the tradition to baptice newborm babies as soon as possible. The church did it to save these newborn from hell. Read more about this issue in https://www.catholic.com/tract/early-teachings-on-infant-baptism 

I wanted to baptice my childrens in my Catholic church but were not allowed to do that because I never went to mass at that time. We could have done that in the Protestant church but decided that the childrens could do that as adults instead. 

Paedobaptism or infant baptism

As the church regards Jesus as God and therefore his baapticing not a bapticing for the sins, the church started the tradition of paedobaptism. As Jesus baptism was like a paedobaptism despite his documented 30 years of age.

Michael Servetus who was sentenced to death because of heresy, said about paedobaptism:

“It is an invention of the devil, an infernal falsity for the destruction of all Christianity.” ( Source: www.newworldencyclopedia.org/ )

Conclusion

Maybe jesus did errors as a small child and wanted therefore to get baptized for the sins made during his youth.

8. Jesus miracles 20190120

introduzione

Sunday  20 January at the Catholic mass we read about the the first miracle of of Jesus. Also the Quran Corano talks about the miracle of jesus but with a different perspetive.

The first miracle

John 2, 1-11 says: 

1 On the third day there was a wedding at Cana in Galilee. The mother of Jesus was there, 2 and Jesus and his disciples had also been invited. 3 And they ran out of wine, since the wine provided for the feast had all been used, and the mother of Jesus said to him, ‘They have no wine.’ 4 Jesus said, ‘Woman, what do you want from me? My hour has not come yet.’ 5 His mother said to the servants, ‘Do whatever he tells you.’ 6 There were six stone water jars standing there, meant for the ablutions that are customary among the Jews: each could hold twenty or thirty gallons. 7 Jesus said to the servants, ‘Fill the jars with water,’ and they filled them to the brim. 8 Then he said to them, ‘Draw some out now and take it to the president of the feast.’ 9 They did this; the president tasted the water, and it had turned into wine. Having no idea where it came from — though the servants who had drawn the water knew — the president of the feast called the bridegroom 10 and said, ‘Everyone serves good wine first and the worse wine when the guests are well wined; but you have kept the best wine till now.’ 11 This was the first of Jesus’ signs: it was at Cana in Galilee. He revealed his glory, and his disciples believed in him.”

Not only the New testament talks about jesus Miracles.

jesus miracles in the Quran

In the Quran we read about Mary (Maryam) and jesus (Isa):

“And [mention] the one who guarded her chastity, so We blew into her [garment] through Our angel [Gabriel], and We made her and her son a sign for the worlds.” ( Quran 21:91 )

And We did certainly give Moses the Torah and followed up after him with messengers. And We gave Jesus, the son of Mary, clear proofs and supported him with the Pure Spirit.”  ( Quran 2:87 )

These texts are the reason why good Muslims consider Jesus (Isa as they call him), one of the greatest prophets.

A miracle done by Jesus, mentioned in the Qur’an

The Quran tells about  some miracles. Like this on the table where Jesus asks Allah for a miracle, of which you are in www.islamreligion.com :

“When the disciples said: O Jesus, son of Mary!  Is your Lord able to send down for us a table spread with food from heaven?  He said: Observe your duty to God, if ye are true believers. They said: We desire to eat of it and our hearts be at rest, and that We may know that you have spoken truth to us, and that We may be witnesses thereof.  Jesus, son of Mary, said: ‘O God, our Lord, send down for us a Table laden with food out of heaven, that shall be for us a recurring festival, the first and last of us, and a miracle from You. And provide us our sustenance, for You are the best of providers!” (Quran 5:112-114 )

Jesus miracles always with God/Allahs permission.

The Quran clearly tells the Jesus does miracles always with Allahs permission.

In Quran 3:49 your read:

“And [make him] a messenger to the Children of Israel, [who will say], ‘Indeed I have come to you with a sign from your Lord in that I design for you from clay [that which is] like the form of a bird, then I breathe into it and it becomes a bird by permission of Allah . And I cure the blind and the leper, and I give life to the dead – by permission of Allah . And I inform you of what you eat and what you store in your houses. Indeed in that is a sign for you, if you are believers.”

I never read about this bird miracle in the Gospels. 

Leggi di più in (Fonte: www.islamreligion.com )

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11. Nazareth of Jesus 20190203

Introduction

February 2 the Catholic Mass read Luke 4:21-30 Being in Nazaret hi hometown Jesus talked among others about being prophet in his own hometown. Luke most probably never was in Nazaret. I will in this post share facts about Nazareth

Lukes description

Jeuss told about “Elijah’s day, when heaven remained shut for three years and six months and a great famine raged throughout the land” Luke 4:25  

Luke dedscribes what happened after his speech in Luke 4:28-30:

“28 When they heard this everyone in the synagogue was enraged. 29 They sprang to their feet and hustled him out of the town; and they took him up to the brow of the hill their town was built on, intending to throw him off the cliff, 30 but he passed straight through the crowd and walked away.

Nazareth

Nazaret is described by Luke as a town with a Synagogue like this one in Köln:

NB Jesus never talked about his town but his country (maybe intednded as Upper Galilee) in 4:24:

Nazaret was a small village at jesus time with about 12 families, that is 200 inhabitants.

Know more listening to this Youtube called Nazareth of Jesus 

Conclusions

Luke did his best to draw a historical and geographical picture of Jesus. Luke never lived with Jesus nor knew about his youth. here he reveals for the second time that he never were in Nazaret. The first time was when he in Luke 2:4 told that Mary went from Nazaret to Betlehem a few days before jesus birth. Nazaret is about 80 chilometers away from Betlehem.

 

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16 Jesus about Hell and repenting 20190314

Introduction

I believe in a God that pardon “7×77 times” ( Matthew 18:22 ) , a  God that  forgives those who repent ( Quran 2:37 and Luke 13: 1-5 ) .

When we die, we  know nothing ( Ecclesiastes 9:5 ), we just sleep as Jesus said about Lazarus . ( John 11:11  )

God is all-knowing, all-wise and all-hearing

I talked with my son about hell and paradize in Umeå summer 2018. he thought about that and came back reminding me about what Jesus said about this issue.

My son inspired me to start this article in July 2018. I have now updated it to share about Jesus view about the issue “if you do not repent” as was read about in Luke 13: 1-5 at the Catholic Mass March 24.

Index

  • Introduction
  • If you do not repent
  • Hell
  • Paradise
  • Conclusions

“if you do not repent”

This text is partly  taken  from www.kinberg.net/wordpress/stellan/about-god/#christians

At the catholic mass March 24 we from learn from Luke 13: 1-5 that the possibility of conversion or to become a good human is not ethernal. What happens when you die, if you did not do good during your earthly life? 

Luke 13: 1-5 says:

“1 It was just about this time that some people arrived and told him about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mingled with that of their sacrifices. At this he said to them, 2 ‘Do you suppose that these Galileans were worse sinners than any others, that this should have happened to them? 3 They were not, I tell you. No; but unless you repent you will all perish as they did. 4 Or those eighteen on whom the tower at Siloam fell, killing them all? Do you suppose that they were more guilty than all the other people living in Jerusalem? 5 They were not, I tell you. No; butunless you repent you will all perish as they did.‘”

Hell

 “The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all law-breakers, and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.  So it will be at the end of the age.” (   Matthew 13:41-42, 49-50   ) 

 “And if your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than with two hands to go to hell, to the unquenchable fire…where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched.’ For everyone will be salted with fire.”Mark 9:43, 48-49  )

Dante Alighieri visited Hell and documented all he saw in his “Inferno”. I have the book  and will maybe share some of his text.

Here is a image by Gustave Doré. (Credit: via Wikimedia Commons)

Hell and resurrection in the Quran

The Quran mentions “hell” several times. Searching the Quran for the word “hell” in www.searchtruth.com I find it 98 time(s) in 196 verse(s).

Resurrection

the word “resurrection” appears 211 time(s) in 206 verse(s) in the Quran, a word you find 55 times in the Bible.

Our souls

The Quran about our souls.

God takes our souls when we fall asleep and gives it back when we wake up, But God takes our soul also when we die. I presume god gives it back on Resurrection day. (as I understand Quran 6:60 )

Paradise

The word Paradise appears 238 times in the Quran. It is explicated as

  • recompense of their good
  • a promise

Paradise where Adam was created was in heaven not on Earth. Adam was sent to Earth as a punishment as he did not obey God. ( Quran 2:36 ) To a Hell of Earth?

Clergymen, hell and paradise

Hell has been used as a threat by the clergy for those who did not believe the priests.

When may we go to hell or paradize?

In the Gospel you read clearly when that will happen:

So it will be at the end of the age.. when the … the angels will come out and separate the evil from the righteous (  Matthew 13:41-42, 49-50  ) That period is described in the Revelation . )

The Quran doesnt talk about it but it talks a lor sbout Resurrection without saying any details.

Read more in https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/wp20081101/What-Did-Jesus-Teach-About-Hell/#link0

Conclusions

I believed in hell and paradize  and I had a explanation of how a hell could work. I liked the Buddhist teaching that:

“You prepare the bed in this life, a bed you will sleep in during your next life.”

But that next life could come maybe after the resurrection.

I have now  accepted the idea that my mother, my grandfather and all those who died, are sleeping and one day, they will be resurrected.

Jehovah witnesses are right that there is no warning for a hell when we die. But you may experience hell after the resurrection of the dead and the 1000 years that will come.

God, being all-knowing, should know we humans have a animal brains often lead by our instincts we inherited from our evolutional ancestors.

I think it is nice to get the possibility to change our behaviours during a 1000 year kingdom as revealed in the Book of the Revelations after the Resurrection both the New testament and the Quran talks about.

And it is  nice if Paradise will be here on Earth, something the Biosphere really is a good candidate for.

Jesus warns us and invites us to repent asap. How can we understand that we have a god that pardon 7×77 times while sending us to hell. I believe that 

We create our own hell during our earthly life.

Inspired by Zoroastrian and Buddhist believes about afterlife, I now personally believe that we will get a more developed empathy and understanding after death or our resurrection.

We will understand the pain we created in our previous life and maybe also feel the pain  as our victims did.

We will maybe feel that pain we caused thousand times stronger. And that will be our hell for a long time.

 

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17. The brothers of Jesus 20190330

introduction

I found a interesting page about this issue in bibbia.it and decided to translate it into English and discuss the Catholic doctrine of Mary’s perpetual virginity. 

Index

  • introduction
  • Was Jesus  the firstborn
  • Jesus brother James
  • Jesus brother Judas
  • Jesus had brothers
  • Jesus had halphbrother
  • Conclusions
  • Source

Was Jesus the firstborn?

That Jesus had brothers and that he was the eldest son in the family nucleus composed of Joseph and Mary is explained in the first instance by the meaning of “firstborn” that we find in the Gospel of Luke 2:77.

7 and she gave birth to a son, her first-born. She wrapped him in swaddling clothes and laid him in a manger because there was no room for them in the living-space.

It is unlikely that Luke had used that word being aware that Mary had not given birth to other children, because in that case she would have had another word used in the same gospel to indicate an only child as in Luke 7:12 :

“12 Now when he was near the gate of the town there was a dead man being carried out, the only son of his mother, and she was a widow. And a considerable number of the townspeople was with her.”

and Luke  8:42

42 because he had an only daughter about twelve years old, who was dying. And the crowds were almost stifling Jesus as he went

It is worth noting that the words recorded in the Gospel according to Matthew 1: 25 

25 he had not had intercourse with her when she gave birth to a son; and he named him Jesus.”

this indicate that after the birth of Jesus, Joseph and Mary had a normal marriage relationship followed by birth of other children.
These brothers and sisters of Jesus at first did not recognize the nature of his mission. As we read in Mark 3:21

Jesus brother James

Mark 3:21 tells: “When his relations heard of this, they set out to take charge of him; they said, ‘He is out of his mind.'”

John recalls in John 7: 5:

Not even his brothers had faith in him.

But after the resurrection, his brothers, and especially James, clearly changed their position: we meet them, in fact, in Acts 1:14 gathered in prayer together with their mother Mary, the twelve apostles and an unspecified number of women who were you are following Christ:

” With one heart all these joined constantly in prayer, together with some women, including Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brothers.”

According to Paul when he affirms About Jesus, in the first letter to Corinthians 15: 7 7 “then he appeared to James, and then to all the apostles.”

It was probably this experience that led him to conversion along with the rest of his family.
Later, in the church of Jerusalem, James was a recognized leader. The observation of Paul regarding his first visit to Jerusalem after his conversion is significant. He says he saw no other of the Apostles except James the Lord’s brother Galatians 1: 18-19

18 Only after three years did I go up to Jerusalem to meet Cephas. I stayed fifteen days with him

19 but did not set eyes on any of the rest of the apostles, only James, the Lord’s brother.”

 and for Paul this meeting must have been extremely important because it gave him the opportunity to learn about the life of Jesus directly from someone who had known him very closely.

Jesus brother Judas, 

Judas appears simply as the brother of James, who was one of the greatest exponents of the church of Jerusalem and author of the epistle of the same name. In this case Judas would be another brother of Jesus, in fact among the brothers of the Lord, besides James, a certain Judas is also mentioned in Matthew 13:55:

Mark 6:3 says:

3 This is the carpenter, surely, the son of Mary, the brother of James and Joset and Jude and Simon? His sisters, too, are they not here with us?’ And they would not accept him.

There is a discussion if  the brothers 

1 are halphbrothers of Jesus, that means the sons of Joseph and Jopsephs precious wife or

2. are the son of Mary and Jesus. Those who  say that Mary remained in celibate support of course the first hypothesis. So does my Catholic priest and the Jehovas witnesses.

“The Catholic Church made the matter of Mary’s being a virgin perpetually a teaching of the Church though because of the sanctity that virginity is supposed to impart.” (Source: Jw.org)

Arguments against Marys perpetual virginity =
hildren beside Jesus

JW says in https://wol.jw.org : “That Mary had other children also seems indicated by the incident that occurred when Jesus was twelve years old and Joseph took his family to Jerusalem for the festival. On the way back they had traveled a whole day before Mary noticed that Jesus was not with them. Had Jesus been her only child (and miraculously conceived at that), could we imagine her maternal instincts being so dormant that she would have started out without him and not missed him for a whole day? But if by this time she had six or more children by Joseph, we can imagine her having been so busy that she might not have missed Jesus for a whole day.​—Luke 2:41-50.”

and “The apostle Paul tells married people not to deprive each other of the marital due, which Mary would have done had she remained a virgin after bearing Jesus.​—1 Cor. 7:3-5.

Arguments for Marys perpetual virginity =
only halphbrothers and halph sisters

JW says in https://wol.jw.org : “Catholic theologians state: “Greek-speaking Semites used the terms adelphos and adelphē, not only in the ordinary sense [as meaning “brothers” and “sisters”], but also for nephew, niece, half-brother, half-sister, and cousin.” This argument was first presented by Jerome, the early Catholic Church “father,” and goes back no earlier than 383 C.E. But he produces neither Scripture nor tradition to support his position. The fact is that in his later writings he expressed misgivings as to the soundness of his theory that, when the Scriptures spoke of the “brothers” of Jesus, “cousins” were meant.​—St. Paul’s Epistle to the Galatians, Lightfoot.”

JW concludes that Jesus had halphbrothers and halphsisters

Conclusions

I am a bit reluctant about the Catholic doctrine of Mary’s perpetual virginity as a sign of Sanctity. I believe that Sanctity has nothing to do with your sexual life. You can be a saint and do good deeds even if you have children after intercourse.

I personally prefer the view that Jesus had both brothers and halphbrothers. Some of the brothers mentioned in the Gospells may have been halphbrothers. So Mary was a great women even if  Joseph and Mary had children after having had Jesus. Joseph as being elder, may have had children in a previous relationship. I also think that Joseph was elder and died earlier as we never read about him in after Jesus death like we did with Mary in Acts 1:14 .

Sources

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18. Tekton Joseph and Jesus 20190403

Introduction

March 19 was the celebration of Joseph. www.ignatianspirituality.com dedicated in  a page about Josephs and Jesus work.

index

  • introduction
  • tekton

Tekton

Jesus is mentioned in

Matthew 13:55 N-GMS

as well as in Mark 6:3 N-NMS

as being the son of a tekton:

τοῦ τέκτονος υἱός οὐχ
NAS: “Is not this the carpenter’s son?”

About Tekton,  Paul Basehore, Volunteer Youth Pastor  says in https://www.quora.com:

“This is a pretty general term — it’s the same base root where English gets words like “Technician”. It really means “artisan”, usually in wood, iron, or stone. Tradition says that he was a carpenter, and several early references (non-Biblical, but within the first century or two) say that Jesus made yokes and plows. According to the Greek, though — we really can’t be 100% certain.”

Jonas Gardell in his book about Jesus (Om Jesus) tells that Jesus, and Joseph, being tektones (craftmen) belonged with their family  to the poorest social class in Nazareth. Being among the poorest,Jesus may even have been analphabet. He may have been without teeths as many other poor people.

Jonas present Jesus in this video:

 

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21 Eat my body drink my blood 20190414

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Introduction

At the Catholic mass April 14 we read Luke 22,14-23,56 about Jesus presentation of the New covenant. I will in this post analyze Jesus bread-body, wine-blood  metaphore

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Index

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A new covenant

 

As Caiaphashas written in his execution report according to Mahan:

“when in danger, He said that once every year we should roast a kid or lamb, and eat it with unleavened bread, and this should be the sign that we would trust in Him in all times of danger. Now Jesus teaches that common bread and wine are to be used instead thereof a thing unheard of.” (Source: Archko Volumes p 95)

 

a Catholic going to Mass every Sunday I asked myself for years what i was really eating. I came with time to an answer but i will tell about that in the conclusions below.

Jesus  metaphores have to be seen in a historical perspective. He used metaphores to give his audience a picture that helped to understand his message. So when he talk about bread and wine we must understand what poeple of tjhat time saw and thought about when jesus talked about bread and wine.

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The text

Luke 22,10-23 says

“He said to them, ‘Look, as you go into the city you will meet a man carrying a pitcher of water. Follow him into the house he enters

11 and tell the owner of the house, “The Master says this to you: Where is the room for me to eat the Passover with my disciples?”

12 The man will show you a large upper room furnished with couches. Make the preparations there.’

13 They set off and found everything as he had told them and prepared the Passover.

14 When the time came he took his place at table, and the apostles with him.

15 And he said to them, ‘I have ardently longed to eat this Passover with you before I suffer;

16 because, I tell you, I shall not eat it until it is fulfilled in the kingdom of God.’

17 Then, taking a cup, he gave thanks and said, ‘Take this and share it among you,

18 because from now on, I tell you, I shall never again drink wine until the kingdom of God comes.’

19 Then he took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to them, saying, ‘This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.’

20 He did the same with the cup after supper, and said, ‘This cup is the new covenant in my blood poured out for you.

21 ‘But look, here with me on the table is the hand of the man who is betraying me.

22 The Son of man is indeed on the path which was decreed, but alas for that man by whom he is betrayed!’

23 And they began to ask one another which of them it could be who was to do this.”

Bread

We know that bread was often a sourdough bread and it was not a food for everyone. In Rome it was important to give bread for free  to avoid uprises and rebellions among the romans. We must remember that there were no sugar, no potatoes nor rice in the middle east. So bread was the main intake of calories.

Wine

Wine was a c-vitamine rich nourishment for the poor but a inhebriant for the rich people. We know from the greeks that wine was regarded a drink of sincerity but for the Persians bad if consumed during important decisions.

Wine-blood metaphore

 

Jesus  invited the disciples to eat  bread and drink wine at the last supper, by saying

“This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.  ‘This cup is the new covenant in my blood poured out for you.” (in Luke 22:19-20  )

The disciples have heard this bread-body and wine-blood metaphore before and maybe undestood it by now  as Jesus explained it for a group of Jews in Capernaum.

According to  John 6:27-54 , Jesus said:

‘Do not work for food that goes bad, but work for food that endures for eternal life, which the Son of man will give you, for on him the Father, God himself, has set his sea’l.  

Then they said to him, ‘What must we do if we are to carry out God’s work?’  

Jesus gave them this answer, ‘This is carrying out God’s work: you must believe in the one he has sent.’ 

So they said, ‘What sign will you yourself do, the sight of which will make us believe in you? What work will you do? Our fathers ate manna in the desert; as scripture says: He gave them bread from heaven to eat.’

Jesus answered them:  ‘In all truth I tell you, it was not Moses who gave you the bread from heaven, it is my Father who gives you the bread from heaven, the true bread;  for the bread of God is the bread which comes down from heaven and gives life to the world. Your fathers ate manna in the desert and they are dead; I am the living bread which has come down from heaven. Anyone who eats this bread will live for ever; and the bread that I shall give is my flesh, for the life of the world.’

The Jews did not understand Jesus was to let himself be sacrificed by the Jews as “the bread from heaven”.It is not surprising that… 

” the Jews started arguing among themselves, ‘How can this man give us his flesh to eat?’ The jews did not understand Jesus metaphore “I am the living bread” Do we?

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Conclusions

I have thought for years about Jesus “Eat my body” and “drink  my blood.” After reading about Spinoza  pantheistic view. I am still  convinced that Jesus  most probably also meant that the bread as any other food is the body of God. God materialized or incarnated according to Einsteins E=mc2. My explanation is still not considering John 6:51-54. I continue however on my panhteistic  path and hypothesis while studying John 6:51-54 more.

I decided meanwhile  to make a few revisions to my enlightened genesis Creation Story to make it a description about how God materialized as the Universe with the Human being as an image of God. I want to see how a pantheistic view would look like in a Creation Story described by a pantheistic God.

If you want to read   it, go to www.kinberg.net/wordpress/stellan/the-enlightened-genesis/

 

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The sacrifice of Jesus

Morgan Freeman talks about the death and resurrection of Jesus  in his video “The story of God”

The dogma  of Christianity is that “Jesus died on the cross   for the   sins of humans. If we accept this you will be saved” ( Source: www.desiringgod.org ) noone has so far been able to give me a reasonable explanation of this.

The pope said at the II Vatican councile that

“Jesus died as a hebrew”

Why should Jesus suffer such a dead for our 21th century humans sins? All sinners the cause  of the horible death of Jesus? It sounds like God condemned jesus to death because we were the sinner.

Muslims do not accept that Jesus was killed as “Allah would not have permitted that a messenger like Jesus  would have been treated like that”. I supported for long time this idea a s there is a tomb in Srinagar, India that supports it.

 I have found however another explanation why Allah let Jesus die like this. I have:

Jesus martyrdom – Two hypothesis

  1. God let Jesus offer himself as a redemption for for the evilness of human beings and  the suffering human beings havde experienced, a suffering and evilness that is a integrated part of Gods human creation.  Animals does not suffer death and evilness in the same way as we do. God as alknowing and perfectly knew that humans with such a brain  were susceptible to the whispering of the devil and prone to be terribly evil. The angels argued about that with God according to the Quran. But the offering may have have had also a second  purpose:
  2. Jesus became a example for many of those Christians to become martyrs in the Roman empire. Without his offer, would we maybe today still venerate Roman Gods.

Thanks to Jesus good example of accepting and tollerating suffering,  poor Christians in Rome were able to met horrible tortures and death with extreme courage, a courage that impressed even Roman soldiers so strongly that some of them and even a Legion  onverted to Christianity and became themselves martyrs.

A Christian church inside a Roman army fortress in Megiddo, Israel was discovered in the 1990’s.

Cleaning the Megiddo Mosaic

The small church was created from a back room in the fortress by Christian soldiers stationed there. The fortress served as the military headquarters of the Legio II Traiana (“Trajan’s legion”) and Legio VI Ferrata (“Ironclad Legion”). Maybe even these two legions were slaughtered. (Source: earlychurchhistory.org )

Whatever happened with Jesus or whatever the reason of his martyrdom were, them the most important is that Jesus gave us good ethical rules to become good humans and be able to met evil in a successful way (” Do not judge and love your neihbor and enemy”). Thanks to Jesus we have today many good examples of  kindness and love around the world as well as good behaviour fighting evilness like with “passive resistance“. Following Jesus  example and messages we  have better possibility to be resurrected for a happier life.

23. Jesus the divine offer 20190419

introduction

The doctrin of Christianity is that “Jesus died on the cross for the   sins of humans. If we accept this your will be saved” a explanation noone ever could give me acceptable explanation of.

Why should Jesus suffer such a dead for our 21th century humans sins? Are all sinners the cause  of the horrible death of Jesus? It sounds like God condemned Jesus to death because we were sinners.

Muslims do not accept that Jesus was killed as “Allah would not have permitted that a messenger like Jesus  would have been treated like that”. I supported for long time this idea a s there is a tomb in Srinagar, India that supports it.

Index

  • Introduction
  • Crucifixion – a taboo
  • stake or cross
  • Why letJesus die?
  • Srinagar
  • Conclusions
  • Index

crucifixion – a taboo

Crucifixion was such a gruesome and humiliating way to die that the subject was somewhat of a taboo in Roman culture, and only a few crucifixions were specifically documented. One of the only specific female crucifixions we have documented is that of Ida, a freedwoman (former slave) who was crucified by order of Tiberius.” (Source: Wiki  )

However crucifixion was a frequently used Roman mass execution practice. Over 2000 soldiers of Sparatcus army was curcified south of Rome. So the Romans developed practical crucifixion methods.

 ) This video tells about the execution practices around the Mediterranean Sea from the Assyrian stakes  to the Romans Tao and Latin crosses. The Jehonan remains in Israel maybe tell how Jesus was crucified. Read more at www.biblicalarchaeology.org

 

Some say that the crucifixion and hand nailing of Jesus is proved by the shroud in Torino, Italy.

The scientific results of studying the shroud are intresting.

stake or cross

 Was Jesus  killed at a stake  like William Tindale by burning or at a cross as the Christians believe?

mistranslation of the Gospel

The cross/stake question is interesting as its  answer reveals how the Gospels like the old testament have been erroneously translated from Greek. The Witnesses of Jehovah talk a lot about this,   to explain why the jehovahs-witnesses doesn’t worship  images of Jesus on a cross. They say that the “Bible indicates that Jesus did not die on a cross but rather on a simple stake.”  (source: https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1101989219 ) one human could not wear a cross because of its weight. The American film “the Passion” shows a more reasonable view of Jesus on his way to  Golgata. where Jesus had to carry the patibulum, the horizontal beam, to Golgata outside Jerusalem were a stake was waiting in vertical position for the Romans to hang the Patibulum with Jesus  on it. Ropes were used but  as  the victims legs were wet and slippery slippery by urine, sweat and blood, nails  in the heals were used to fix the legs on the stake.

At a distance it may sometimes have looked like T (called Tao crossses and sometimes like crosses, depending on how high the accused was hanged.


 

 

Why slaughter Jesus?

it is a pity that brilliant brains like those of Einstein, Gandhi etc hadto die. So why have to let Jesus die? he could have staid for some longer time and avoid the killings of thousands of poor Romans and Roman soldiers.  the Legio II Traiana (“Trajan’s legion”) and Legio VI Ferrata (“Ironclad Legion”) were probably  slaughtered. (Source: earlychurchhistory.org )

Morgan Freeman talks about the death and resurrection of Jesus  in his video “The story of God”

A Christian church inside a Roman army fortress in Megiddo, Israel was discovered in the 1990’s.

Mistranslations and the “cross”

Morgan Freeman talks about the death and resurrection of Jesus  in his video “The story of God”

The doctrin of Christianity is that “Jesus died on the cross for the   sins of humans. If we accept this your will be saved” a explanation noone ever could give me acceptable explanation of. Why should Jesus suffer such a dead for our 21th century humans sins? All sinners the cause  of the horrible death of Jesus? It sounds like God condemned Jesus to death because we were the sinner.

  1. God let Jesus offer himself as a redemption for for the evilness of human beings and  the suffering human beings have experienced, a suffering and evilness that is a integrated part of Gods human creation.  Animals does not suffer death and evilness in the same way as we do. God as all knowing and perfectly knew that humans with such a brain  were susceptible to the whispering of the devil and prone to be terribly evil. The angels argued about that with God according to the Quran. But the offering may have have had also a second  purpose:
  2. Jesus became a example for many of those Christians to become martyrs in the Roman empire. Without his offer, would we maybe today still venerate Roman Gods.

Thanks to Jesus good example of accepting and tollerating suffering,  poor Christians in Rome were able to met horrible tortures and death with extreme courage, a courage that impressed even Roman soldiers so strongly that some of them and even a Legion  onverted to Christianity and became themselves martyrs.

I have found however another explanation why Allah let Jesus die like this. I have two huypthesis:

  1. God let Jesus offer himself as a redemption for for the evilness of human beings and  the suffering human beings have experienced, a suffering and evilness that is a integrated part of Gods human creation.  Animals does not suffer death and evilness in the same way as we do. God as all knowing and perfectly knew that humans with such a brain  were susceptible to the whispering of the devil and prone to be terribly evil. The angels argued about that with God according to the Quran. But the offering may have have had also a second  purpose:
  2. Jesus became a example for many of those Christians to become martyrs in the Roman empire. Without his offer, would we maybe today still venerate Roman Gods.

Thanks to Jesus good example of accepting and tollerating suffering,  poor Christians in Rome were able to met horrible tortures and death with extreme courage, a courage that impressed even Roman soldiers so strongly that some of them and even a Legion  onverted to Christianity and became themselves martyrs.

Srinagar

Muslims do not accept that Jesus was killed as “Allah would not have permitted that a messenger like Jesus  would have been treated like that”. I supported for long time this idea as there is a tomb in Srinagar, India that supports it.

“a local journalist, Aziz Kashmiri, argued in his 1973 book,  that Jesus survived crucifixion some 2,000 years ago, migrated to Srinagar” 

Read more at: timesofindia.indiatimes.com

 

and in “Tourists flock to ‘Jesus’s tomb’ in Kashmir” in news.bbc.co.uk

.” read more at timesofindia.indiatimes.com

Conclusions

Whatever happened with Jesus or whatever the reason of his martyrdom were, them the most important is that Jesus gave us good ethical rules to become good humans and be able to met evil in a successful way (” Do not judge and love your neihbor and enemy”). Thanks to Jesus we have today many good examples of  kindness and love around the world as well as good behaviour fighting evilness like with “passive resistance“. Following Jesus  example and messages we  have better possibility to be resurrected for a happier life.

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Srinagar hypothesis

There is one belief that Jesus did not die at the cross. They never crushed his legs and the death through asfiction can take more than two days.

Supported by the Quran, Jesus was saved by someone and fled with a trading caravan along the Silk Way to Kashmir were he preached until he died 80 years old. he may have been regarded there as a important Buddhists as he shared many thoughts with Siddharta Gautama.

Erroneous translations in all the Gospels.

The Jehovahs witness looks to be be correct. You can see this “stake-cross” mistranslations in all the Gospels.

You find all these mistranslations googleing with the text

cross /site:biblehub.com/interlinear

or with

“crucified /site:biblehub.com/interlinear”

My Lutheran priest here in Sweden aknowledged that this mistranslating is a fact. I decided  therefore to “amputate” my golden cross to resemble a pole.

I have however now to the idea that Jesus had  to carry the horizontal beam (patibulum in Latin) to the place of execution, but not the whole cross as it is to heavy. Jesus tied to the horizontal beamand was appended  on a stake so it looked like a T as Morgan Freeman illustrates it in his video “The story of God” from minutes 17:40.

This is really an  irrelevant question. But I explain below the reason I give this question so much space.

Crucifixion was such a gruesome and humiliating way to die that the subject was somewhat of a taboo in Roman culture, and few cruxifictions were specifically documented. One of the only specific female cruxifictions we have documented is that of Ida, a freedwoman (former slave) who was cruxified by order of Tiberius.” (Source: Wiki

Some say that the cruxifixion and hand nailing of Jesus is prooved by the schroud in torino, Italy.

But the examination of it shows that “Blood pattern analysis (BPA) of the blood marks on the Shroud of Turin show that they are non-realistic.”

The cross/stake question is interesting as its  answer reveals how the Gospels like the old testament have been erroneously translated from Greek. The Witnesses of Jehovah talk a lot about this,   to explain why the jehovahs-witnesses doesn’t worship  images of Jesus on a cross. They say that the “Bible indicates that Jesus did not die on a cross but rather on a simple stake.”  (source: https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1101989219 )

The “Archko volume or The Archeological Writings Of The Sanhedrim And Talmuds Of The Jews” available in archive.org, shares a report from Caiaphas a Roman to Caesar about the exevution of Jesus. It is found in chapter VI page 96 

physical effects of cruxifiction

Dr Fredrik Zugibe in Rockland County, New York, has analyzed the physical effects of cruxifiction and compared it with the Turin Shroud marks.

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Srinagar hypothesis

There is one belief that Jesus did not die at the cross. They never crushed his legs and the death trough asphiction can take more than two days.

Supported by the Quran, Jesus was saved by someone and fled with a trading caravan along teh Silk Way to Kashmir were he preached until he died 80 years old. he may have been regarded there as a important Buddhists as he shared many thoughts with Siddharta Gautama.

Erroneous translations in all the Gospels.

The Jehovahs witness looks to be be correct. You can see this “stake-cross” mistranslations in all the Gospels.

You find all these mistranslations googleing with the text

cross /site:biblehub.com/interlinear

or with

“crucified /site:biblehub.com/interlinear”

My Lutheran priest here in Sweden aknowledged that this mistranslating is a fact. I decided  therefore to “amputate” my golden cross to resemble a pole.

I have however now to the idea that Jesus had  to carry the horizontal beam (patibulum in Latin) to the place of execution, but not the whole cross as it is to heavy. Jesus tied to the horizontal beamand was appended  on a stake so it looked like a T as Morgan Freeman illustrates it in his video “The story of God” from minutes 17:40.

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The Gospels – looking for Jesus

There are little  doubts about what Jesus teached and  said.  Especcially those parts that are against the Christian dogmas and the early Catholic Church didn’t want to be translated from Latin or Greek, may be genuine words of Jesus. Examples are

  • “Love your enemie “ and Jesus letting his feet be cleaned by a prostitute. Jesus  told with these examples,  that God want the sinner to be converted and not killed. The Catholic  Church defending its dogmas, didn’t follow Jesus, killing and tortureing with its inquisition.
  • Jesus choosed Mary of Magdala to inform the disciples about his resurrection. Only now Mary of Magdala is recognized as not having been a prostitute, thanks to pope Francesco , with a special Sunday mass dedication in June.
    Despite Paul regarded women as submitted by men, he recommended several women as good disciples. The Catholic Church has yet not accepted that women could be priests. Neither does Witnesses of Jehova let women lead their meetings.
  • http://www.famigliacristiana.it/articolo/santa-maria-maddalena-la-discepola-calunniata-che-per-prima-vide-la-risurrezione.aspx )
  • “Eli Eli Lama Sabachthani” are also  probably genuine  words of Jesus. Jesus wouldnt have said if he regarded himself a God.
  • The Gospels confirm parts of his teaching. The Gospel of Thomas  I(see https://archive.org/details/TheGospelOfThomas) documents several words  of Jesus that are  found also in the other Gospels. The Gospel of Thomas found in Egypt may have been uses by the Gospel writers.
  • Jesus is very severe against hypocrisy as in Matthew 32  “they love to be greeted with respect in the marketplaces and to be called ‘Rabbi’ by others.”

 the Gospel writers never lived with Jesus?

It is often said that the Gospel writers probably never lived with Jesus.  This may be true for Luke who was a greek by birth.

Paul

Paul himself said he experienced Jesus resurrection

“Last of all he appeared to me too, as though I was a child born abnormally.”  (1 Corinthian 15:8 ).

John

John himself claims in John 21:24 that the Gospel of John is based on the written testimony of the “Beloved Disciple”.

as  a follower of John the Baptist may be the only one who have been with Jesus from the time he was very young following Jesus from his baptism to his death and resurrection.

Even if John and Paul lived with Jesus it looks like they did not follow every step Jesus made from his birth to his death. Also John and Paul may have had help from survived disciples. And were something was missing like about Jesus childhood, the apostles filled in the missing parts with what they believed must have been the truth, taking inspiration from the elder sacred scripts, like the story of Moses.

The childhood and life of Jesus is very much a paraphrase of the life of Moses.

Some of his disciples may however have lived when the first Gospels were written,

Marks gospel was  probably written with the help of Peters eyewitness as Peter was imprisoned in Rome.

Read more at www.whatchristianswanttoknow.com

Talmidin

Talmidin were those who followed Jesus and accurately wrote own what Jesus said and teached.  ( https://www.thattheworldmayknow.com/rabbi-and-talmidim ), 

Their memories and documents later reached  Paul and the evangelists who wrote Mark, Matthews, Luke’ and John’s gospel.

Lukes gospel is regarded by many to be the most accurate gospel. There are also suspicions that some New Testament texts have been adjused to fit the early church dogmas.

About Mark we can read what Clement of  Alexandria said in a letter found  1958,  by Morton Smith, a professor of ancient history at Columbia University,  in the monastery of Mar Saba situated 20 kilometers south-east of Jerusalem.

 “when Peter died as a martyr, Mark [i.e. Mark the Evangelist] came over to Alexandria, bringing both his own notes and those of Peter, from which he transferred to his former book [i.e. the Gospel of Mark] the things suitable to whatever makes for progress toward knowledge.

Clement wrote in his letter about the unfalsified Gospel of Mark, later called  “secret gospel  of Mark”.Read more in http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/secretmark.html

The Gospels contraddict each other

Genealogy. Matthew says that the father of Joseph was Jacob; Luke 3,23 sdsays that the father of Joseph was Eli;
Luke says Jesus has 57 ancestors included Abraham;
Matthew says he had 42ancestors that are different;
John does not add a geneaology.

Disciple election. According to John Jesus chooses his disciples almost first of all at Bethany; Matthew and Kuke reports that Jesus choosed his disciples in Galilee;  
Matthew and Luke says that Jesus choosed the disciples in Galilee in the North of Israel; John says that Jesus choosed the disciples in Bethany in the south of Israel.

Easter celebrations. Jesus celebrate according to John, thee Easters, that is Hannukka, Sukkopt and probablìy Shavout;
Mark, Matthew and Luke talk only about one Easter in Jerusalem

Father prayer. John does not mention Jesus prayer despite he dedicated 5 chapter to the last evening.

John the baptist. Luke says that Johna nd Jesus were related;
According to John they seem not even to know each other.

(Source “Inchiesta su Gesù”, Corrado Augias, Mauro Pesce)

According to John Jesus said in Joh 10:30  “I and my Father are one”  Only John reports about this.  This is maybe because only John witneesd this teaching.

This sayinghas led many to believe and say things like  “Maryam mater dei” that  Mary is  the mother of God and give Jesus he epitet”God” as in God Jesus” like e.g. the article in https://www.allaboutjesuschrist.org/jesus-is-god.htm tries to explain.

 

A Tomb in Jerusalem Reveals the History of Crucifixion and Roman Crucifixion Methods

 

yeahsas life – a story

  • Jesus birth
  • Nazareth
  • Jesus childhood
  • Jesus youth
  • What Jesus said

Conclusions after this liturgic  winter and spring

For me it is enough that Jesus is a prophet, a prophet that could do miracles. like also the Muslims believe.

Jesus is not God for me. God decides over all of us, even Jesus.

We are all sons of God in a metaphorical sense as God created us all.

of course God does not get children in the biological meaning of it.

I believe in the miracles as I think that God can do anything, like he created the Universe.

there are a lot of misunderstanding between different religions as believers have their own conception of things. We must do our best to understand each other and to achieve this the only solution is dialog.