I dedicated a page about God perceptions in http://www.kinberg.net/wordpress/stellan/about-god/
God is singular not Universal, perceived differently by every human being.
As we can never know God, a page about God must also contain the main human God perceptions.
I decided to move the content of that perception page to the bottom of this page to melt these together with time.
- February 1 2018. I created this page as a post
- I transformed it to a page April 14, 2019.
- February 16, 2020: made then a major update. July 25 2021 My last update was made after having learned about string theory. I also decided to change the name of the page.
- August 15 2021.
- After listening to a dialog about God in Italian TV i added about “God as a mother” in the “God in the Bible” section.
- I also pasted a copy of “God perception” to the bottom of this page to start a fusion of these two pages into one page.
- introduction 1
- Background :
“From a Quantum God to a composer and conductor”
- About God in holy books
- Human beings view of God
- Understanding God through his creation
- Understanding God studying Quantum theory
- Jesus miracles and quantum particle behaviour
- The constants of the Universe
- Conclusions 1
Paste from “God Perceptions“
- introduction 2
- Religion anthropology
on a separate page about bias and deities
- Jesus about God
- Paul about God
- Agnostics God
- Musicians God
- Scientists God
- Philosophers God
- Giordano Bruno
- Theologists God
- Christians God
- Other religions God
- Conclusions 2
From a Quantum God to a composer and conductor
It started reading my grandfathers book and trying to answer his two questions. “(Did God create the Universe out of nothing?” and “Did Adam and Eve have ancestors?) I ended up being interested in quantum field physics that seems to be behind Big Bang and all that happened thereafter, nucleosynthesis, the abiogenesis, biological evolution and finally our cultural evolution. I found very early that quantum physics is behind everything. So I wanted to learn more about the math that describes quantum physics.These are two pages I am still working with:
The little I have learned (now about the string theory) has however given me some ideas to what a Creator God could be. My answer to my grandfathers questions and my hypothesis is readable in my “illuministic Genesis“: But I have of course still a long way to walk and more updates will be done in my Genesis. Why did I called God a “Quantum God”? This was a conclusion, I came to after a long search. I told above how this search started. 2017 September 8, I already thought about Quantum physics. I wrote about it in hwww.kinberg.net/wordpress/stellan/science-without-religion/ Then I wrote www.kinberg.net/wordpress/stellan/2018/01/15/understanding-yhwh/ I wanted to know more about God. So I looked at different God perceptions during 2018 and became very inspired by Giordano Bruno, Einstein and Planck. If God exists and created all things then God must have created the Quantum field theory and its supported laws that governs Big Bang and all that happened thereafter, the Universe and evolution on earth. Looking at these laws and some Quantum physics mysteries, I became convinced that a Creator must be much more than a magician and clay artisan as the Bible Genesis and the Quran describes it. So I wrote my illuministic Genesis inspired with all things I have learned so far. I were driven in my search also by these words of Jesus: “I still have many things to say to you, but you are not able to bear them now.” ( John 16:12 ) These words raised two questions in me:
- What were those many things he had to say?
- Why couldn’t his disciples “bear the many things” he had to say?
1 These “many things” may have not been so important to explain at his time as he would otherwise have talked about these “many things ” with his intelligent use of metaphores. 2. Jesus is said to have talked Galilean or Hebraic Aramaic with his disciples. The language could not have been the problem that made it “unbearable”. Maybe were the issues he wanted to talk about to difficult to understand at his time, when people did not have the knowledge we have today? Was it about understanding the Universe, the laws behind and God? In this page, I focus on the Quantum physics enigmas and the enigma of Jesus’ miracles and how these miracles could maybe be explained with some elementary knowledge about Quantum Physics. I also look at definitions of God in holy books and how to get closer to a presumingly (you know for sure I am agnostic) existing God. The page has been updated with a better index, fixed links, orthography etc. I left the issue Omnipresence with Dennis Zettings Youtube video from 2015 despite I do not like his approach and conclusions. The abuse of the word “Quantum” I see that the word quantum is abused as clickbait to sell all sort of things, Fudge, Protein, shampoo, etc . Dennis Zetting sells his books with the name of quantum. I do not make any money with my site. I have no ads and do not want it. Reading this page you will I hope understand my choice of the word wuantum. I studied biology and basic math, chemistry and thermodynamics many years ago. Sunday July 25 2021 – the orchestra idea is born Now that I know more about string theory I found a better title for God. The address of this page is now simply www.kinberg.net/wordpress/stellan/god/ but the title is now God-the string orchestra composer and conductor” Read more in my conclusions.
About God in holy books
The Bible about God
Jesus about God
Jesus often talked about the Kingdom of Heaven and God but he never wrote about God itself except as referring to God by saying “My father” or “Elohim”. Many Christians believe that Jesus is God, despite he himself never claimed himself to be God.
He could have done it as the pharaohs did. Jesus was a humble man that never liked to brag. Read more about this issue in a separate post I wrote February 2019. Jesus talked about his father but many things make God to appear more as a mother than a father.
Jesus about a forgiving God
The possibility of conversion is not eternal. What happens when you die, if you did not do good during your earthly life? I wrote about afterlife on a separate page. You find it at www.kinberg.net/wordpress/stellan/2018/01/24/life-afterlife/ Luke 13: 1-5 “1 It was just about this time that some people arrived and told him about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mingled with that of their sacrifices. At this he said to them, 2 ‘Do you suppose that these Galileans were worse sinners than any others, that this should have happened to them? 3 They were not, I tell you. No; but unless you repent you will all perish as they did. 4 Or those eighteen on whom the tower at Siloam fell, killing them all? Do you suppose that they were more guilty than all the other people living in Jerusalem? 5 They were not, I tell you. No; but unless you repent you will all perish as they did.‘”
Jesus said according to Matthew 12:31-32:
12.31 Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men.
12:32 Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will be forgiven him, neither in this age nor in that which is to come.
Paul about God, the destroyer
1Cor 10,1-6.10-12 tells about Pauls believe in the Hebrew destroyer God:
1 I want you to be quite certain, brothers, that our ancestors all had the cloud over them and all passed through the sea.
2 In the cloud and in the sea they were all baptized into Moses;
3 all ate the same spiritual food
4 and all drank the same spiritual drink, since they drank from the spiritual rock which followed them, and that rock was Christ.
5 In spite of this, God was not pleased with most of them, and their corpses were scattered over the desert.
6 Now, these happenings were examples, for our benefit, so that we should never set our hearts, as they did, on evil things;
10 Never complain; some of them complained, and they were killed by the Destroyer.
11 Now all these things happened to them by way of example, and they were described in writing to be a lesson for us, to whom it has fallen to live in the last days of the ages.
12 Everyone, no matter how firmly he thinks he is standing, must be careful he does not fall.
Psalm 136 says: “Alleluia! Give thanks to Yahweh for he is good, for his faithful love endures forever.”
” God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.” (John 4:24 ) “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.” ( Revelation 1:8 )
God in the Quran
Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful.“ (All Quran chapters of the Holy Book start with it except Al-Tawba (Chapter 9). (Source : www.aljazeerah.info ) the Exalted in Might, the Wise ( Al-Naml, 27: 9 ). iLord of the worlds ( Al-Qassas, 28: 30 ). “The One in the Beginning and in the End” ( urat Al-Ikhlas, Chapter 112, verse 1 ) “the Light of the Heavens and the Earth”
the Hearing, the Seeing ( Al-Shoura, 42: 11 ).
full of forgiveness for the people despite their wrongdoing ( 13: 6 and 41:43. ) The Wisest of Judges
He is the swiftest of accountants ( 6: 62 )
give life to the dead, and He is over all things competent. ( Ar-rum 30: 50 and 41: 39. )
“… did certainly give Moses the Torah and followed up after him with messengers. And We gave Jesus, the son of Mary, clear proofs and supported him with the Pure Spirit” ( al-Baqarah 2:87 )
(Source : www.aljazeerah.info )
To get an idea of what God is, it is interesting to read the Kybalion that were defined by the Egyptian Hermes trismegistus in his 7 hermetic principles 4000 years ago. He was regarded a messenger of God and later, one of the Gods himself (Hermes in Greece and Toth in Egypt) and a psychopomp. among others he shared these principles about God:
- The all is mental (mentalism, something the biocentrists accept)
- Everything vibrates and is rythm, reminding about physicists string theory
- Read more in www.truthinsideofyou.org
- and in http://www.hermetics.org/pdf/kybalion.pdf
( Image source: www.truthinsideofyou.org )
Human beings view of and connecting to God
I decided to add this part after seeing Morgan Freemans docutmentary about God. He looked at views of God in different part of the world to find similarities. he raises for me important questions and try to find answers.
Hindus view of God
“Behind all Gods there is single divine energy the hindu believer try to get into” a energy that is neither female nor male, it has no name but they call it Brahman. Hinduism looked at superficially seems to be a religion of many gods. But under the surface there is a single divine energy Why one God in certain cultures and many in others?
Stonehenge, The first monotheists
Stonehenge was build with a focus on the sun. The old stones at Durrington walls focusing on Beacon hill, where demolished after Stonehenge and rebuilt with a focus on the uprising midsummer sun. Sun the main focus of worship and religious interest to establish a particular connection to the sun. The people of Stonehenge may hjave been the first people to worship a single God. When the Gods were ancestors, a river, they were much more accessible. Woreshiping the Son, they missed this accessibility.
GobekliTepe for the dog star, Sirius,
I were informed about another ancient temple. the world’s oldest temple, #GobekliTepe, in Southern Turkey, may have been built to worship the dog star, Sirius, according to one researcher. Morgan asks: “How do you speak with a God that is so remote?” He continued in Egypt Anjali Kumar shares about her search of God in a Ted.
Atenism- the first monotheistic religion
Faraoh Akhenaton decided 1350 ad to worship the sun 100 years after Stonehenge. His ideas was considered very dangerous. he thought there were to many Gods. He closed most of the temples. “We must have one important God that only I can channel. (Salima Ikram) There is a special God. The name of that God is Aton. You can worship Aton though me. “ That was not a popular move. All the important Gods priests were silenced. As oon as Akhenaton died the old priesthood struck back. His son Tuthankhamon was only 7 years when Akhenaton died and Tithankamon died when he was 19. The priesthood did their best to erase the memory of Akhenaton. “The Great Hymn to the Aten is the longest of one of a number of hymn-poems written to the sun-disk deity Aten. Composed in the middle of the 14th century BC, it is attributed to the 18th dynasty Pharaoh Akhenaten, who radically changed traditional forms of Egyptian religion by replacing them with Atenism.” (Wiki)
Half the people of the planet can trace their God to the ancient city of Jerusalem. it was in Jerusalem the belief in one single all powerful deity took root 2000 years ago. How one God won out of many Yoran Hazony, Jewish philosopher: “Abrahams father owned a shop with God idols. The pagan Gods of that time represented anything people may need. There was a God that brings the rain, a god of warfare. Some Gods wanted a party, they wanted wine, song and good food, some Gods wanted bloodshed’s. The Bible tell about Abraham wanting to shed his son’s life. A voice stopped him telling to never sacrifice lives again. Jews built a temple over that shedding site to commemorate that event. A temple that the Romans destroyed 70 ad. “ God is a single force that brings physical and moral order. You could communicate with the God of Abraham without idols or temples. For Jews, Christians and Muslims, the invisible God is always with them wherever and whenever they turn to God.
Al_Hussein Mosque, Cairo, Ahmed Ragab (islamolog) The call to prayer, For the faithful the song of the Muezzzin is a manifestation of God itself.ed. Morgan Freeman says erroneously “song ” but it is really a Quran recitation that you listen to in the video.) At the end of the prayer one say “Ahsalamu Aleykum”. (e. “Piece with you”, something you say to people) Morgan : “A prayer to Allah seems to be like a conversation with a person.” Morgan to the Imam “In Christianity god is so manifest. There is not such thing in Islam. Who am I talking to?” Al_Hussein Mosque, Cairo, Imam Al-Amir Mahfouz, (Mosque spiritual leader). “You can not imagine God. God is beyond imagination. Whatever you would imagine , God is beyond that imagination” Morgan “Mosques are designed to be filled with beautiful sounds and images that delights the senses, from elaborate architectures to verses of the Quran written with the fines calligraphy. Many muslims sees this beauty as a manifestation of God itself. (ed. morgan says himself as god were a man. I prefer “itself” in Swedish one sould say “hensjälv”, hen that is neither han (him) nor hon (her) ). Morgan: “Islam sees god in all things that are beautiful. As God as no form it can be experienced with any of the senses. But these experiences are only aspects of the divine. God is always more than we can imagine.
Some faiths believe God can take a visible form. In a Navajo Hogan in Shiprock, where God and a human become one single being. a Navajo God start living in a girl becoming a woman after a 4 day long kinaalda puberty ceremony, making a giant corn cake in honor of the sun over a fire outside the Hogan” it originates from the woman of change, Asdzaa Nadleehè. they wanted her to have children. First man and first woman saw a cloud over Gobernador Knob and they hear a baby crying. the holy people instructed them to take care of the baby. In twelve days the baby grew up to a 12 year old girl. She was ready to become a woman. To become a woman the girls must connect to the Spirit of Asdzaa Nadleehè that the Navajo believes lives in the Nature. She must run each day toward tghe uprising sun
It is a pity Morgan hasn’t explored the Sufi meditative approach. Morgan that compared music with God should have done that.
“Dr. Andrew Newberg is a neuroscientist who studies the relationship between brain function and various mental states. He is a pioneer in the neurological study of religious and spiritual experiences, a field known as “neurotheology.” ( Source: http://www.andrewnewberg.com ) Understanding God through his Creation Giordano Bruno was trying to understand God through his Creation. Giordano Bruno, who understood quite well Copernicus heliocentric model, said about God in his authobiography in page 35 that “the only bridge to understanding the infinity of God is to understand the infinity of the Universe.” Giordano also said in his authobiography in page 20 that in the tiny bubbles in a cup of cuffy, you can see the reflection of the Universe. My hypothesis is that we in the tiniest quantum particles can see a reflection of God and Jesus. In the Romans 1:20-22 you can read about God that “For his invisible qualities are clearly seen from the world’s creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship” In James 4:8 you read that “Draw close to God, and he will draw close to you” A conclusion of Romans 1:20 and James 4:8 is for me “Study YHWHs (=Gods) Creation and gifts with the new technology we have today and you draw close to God and hopefully YHWH has time to draw close to you helping me in my searches. Studying the Creation means today, to try to study what Biology, Chemistry and Physics today understand and know about our world e.g.:
- the nucleosynthesis
I believe there is a God but I can not know. If there is a God who created Universe and all the Creatures, then this God is able to control and use the unified force we had at the beginning of the Universe development. We do not know what can be done with this force. Of course such a God is able to take advantage of the capacity of the quantum particles he created. I like this verse of Isaiah 40:26: “Lift up your eyes to heaven and see. Who has created these things? It is the One who brings out their army by number; He calls them all by name. Because of his vast dynamic energy and his awe-inspiring power, Not one of them is missing “ Now with my (limited) knowledges about Quantum particles, I also think that God must master and be able to control the behaviour of the quantum particles, as God created these.
Peter Baksa says: “there is a boundary between science and philosophy, between reality and fantasy. That boundary is Quantum Mechanics. ” and later in the same article: “This insistence on discrete energy levels dictates how atoms interact with one another, which forms the chemistry of bulk matter — everything from the stars to ourselves. So it can be seen that the nature of the very littlest of things can have a tremendous impact on everything else, on the nature of our reality. …” …Hence, for the first time in the history of man, ask and it shall be given is a biblical truism that can be explained using Quantum theory.” One another article is about A Physicist Talks about God And The Quantum “Quantum mysticism is growing up as a phenomena. Some scientists call this be pseudoscience or quackery.” I may be a quantum mysticist. But I am simply trying to get an idea of the nature of Jesus and God, like Giordano Bruno did. I try to find a explanation of the mysteries of Jesus miracles with the help of Quantum theory. To understand my idea of a “Quantum God” it is terefore important you have some basic knowledge about the
- Quantum enigmas
- Jesus miracles
Read more in www.huffingtonpost.com .
The quantum enigmas
The physician Domin Walliman after talking 5 minutes about the importance and difficulties to explain science, made a good explanation of some of the Quantum enigmas. Look at this Ted youtube from minute 5:33 open it in Youtube and activate transcript to read in other language. Before you continue reading me, I recommend to listen to Dominic as I am a novice in Quantum physics, The single particle double slit experiment changed the way we look at materia. This youtube video explain it very well.
- Particle duality
Photons can be both particles and waves. Thomas Young demonstrated with this experiment that light is a wave. But today we know that photons that gives us visual impulses in our retina, are particles as well. just as Newton predicted in his book Opticks. Also big molecules as buckminsterfullerene can behave in the same way. . 2. Quantum entanglement (in Italian: correlazione quantistica) Electrons have some kind of contact between them that is faster than light. A simplified explanation Electrons rotates like planets around their axes. Physicians call this rotation “spin”. Two electrons can be connected to each other through a so called entanglement. If one of the two electrons change its rotation from e.g. clockwise to counterclockwise the entangled electron will “know about this event” this and act accordingly changing its own rotation to clockwise so they are again in superposition, even if it the other electron is on the other side of the Universe or leaving the other with the speed of light. Also a hydrogen proton can beentangled with its electron at 0 Kelvin. “A spooky action at a distance” as Einstein called it. According to Van Raamsdonk:”The Universe would not function in the same way without Quantum entanglement.” (Source: Van Raamsdonk ). two entangled particles may be seen “in some quantum sense the same object”.
Philip Ball suggests min5:27 in his youtube “Understanding Quantum Entanglement“
Many biological events (photosynthesis, many enzyme reactions, birds magnetic field sences etc) can not work well without entanglement. I wrote about it in my article about Quantum biology. Some more enigmatic behaviours are: . 3. quantum tunneling – a quantum particle can move through solid objects easily Protons quantum tunnel into each other avoiding the rejection forces between these. This happens in the sun where two Hydrogen atoms (with one proton) fuse into Helium atoms (with 2 protons) and release solar energy. (Source: Dominic Walliman) 4. A quantum particle can go back in time and change the past. Read more 5. Quantum superposition A quantum particle can be in two places in the same time (quantum superposition is used in photosynthesis) Subatomic particles can do two opposite things in the same time, like e.g. spinning (rotating) in both direction at the same time. (Source: Dominic Walliman) The physician Mark Van Raamsdonk explain this in https://youtu.be/GvRNV6Gmmzk?t=2m47s Yo may read also this article in http://www.physics.org To know more you find a lot of good videos in Youtube looking for “Quantum physics”. Another video I looked at is this one from Top5quantum. Memphisastro explains these quantum enigma. I invite you therefore to look at this video from /www.memphisastro.org Nils Bohr said once or “if you are not astonished by the conclusions of quantum mechanics then you have not understood it.”
Jesus miracles are well documented in the Gospels. And there are many
- Jesus walked on the water
- Jesus made bread and wine
- Jesus knew about what was going on elsewere
- Jesus cured sick mens
- Jesus resuscitated dead people
- Jesus resuscitated himself
- Jesus entered a house without opening the door
Even the Muslim Quran recognize Jesus as a messenger, Muslims says that Isa (Jesus ) is one of the greatest prophets and the only one who could make miracles. The Quran says: “We gave ‘Îsa (jesus), the son of Maryam (Mary), clear signs and supported him with Ruh-ul-Qudus” (ed. english “holy Spirit”) ( Surah 2:87 ) Many people, especcially atheists, think that the stories about the miracles of Jesus are fairy tales for childrens but for these atheists the physicians stories bout the quantum particles are not controversial at all. I will below mention some of Jesus miracles together with the Quantum enigma that may explain it. 3. A quantum particle can become invisible Mary: “They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we don’t know where they have put him!” ( John+20 ) After he said this, he was taken up before their very eyes, and a cloud hid him from their sight. They were looking intently up into the sky as he was going, when suddenly two men dressed in white stood beside them. Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky? “This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come backin the same way you have seen him go into heaven.” ( Acts1:9 )
A quantum particle can move through solid objects easily (Quantum tunneling)
Jesus entered the house where the apostles where without knocking on and opening the door. “While they (ed. the apostles) were still talking about this, Jesus himself stood among them and said to them, “Peace be with you.” “They were startled and frightened, thinking they saw a ghost. He said to them, “Why are you troubled, and why do doubts rise in your minds? Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have…. Do you have anything here to eat?” They gave him a piece of broiled fish, and he took it and ate it in their presence.” (Luke 24:36-42 ) “Well, eight days later his disciples were again indoors, and Thomas was with them. Jesus came, although the doors were locked, and he stood in their midst and said: “May you have peace.” Next he said to Thomas: “Put your finger here, and see my hands, and take your hand and stick it into my side, and stop doubting* but believe.” In answer Thomas said to him: “My Lord and my God!” Jesus said to him: “Because you have seen me, have you believed? Happy are those who have not seen and yet believe.” (John 20:27-29 )
A quantum particle can go back in time and change the past.
People who suffered by Leprosy where previously infected by Mycobacterium_leprae. By curing people with Leprosy it is possible that Jesus went back in time and changed the past. 11 Now on his way to Jerusalem, Jesus traveled along the border between Samaria and Galilee. 12 As he was going into a village, ten men who had leprosy met him. They stood at a distance 13 and called out in a loud voice, “Jesus, Master, have pity on us!” 14 When he saw them, he said, “Go, show yourselves to the priests.” And as they went, they were cleansed.” Luke 17:11-14 )
Quantum entanglement between God and Jesus? As explained above one particles behaviour <e.g. spin) impact on a entangled particle behaviour (spin in this case) even if the entangled particle is on the other side of the Universe. here are two examples that according to me are examples of entaglement of God to Jesus
- Luke 19:29-31 says:
“29 Now it happened that when he was near Bethphage and Bethany, close by the Mount of Olives as it is called, he sent two of the disciples, saying, 30 ‘Go to the village opposite, and as you enter it you will find a tethered colt that no one has ever yet ridden. Untie it and bring it here. 31 If anyone asks you, “Why are you untying it?” you are to say this, “The Master needs it.” 2. Markus 14:13-15 and Luke 22,10-23: “share the second example: Luke 22,10-23 says: “He said to them, ‘Look, as you go into the city you will meet a man carrying a pitcher of water. Follow him into the house he enters 11 and tell the owner of the house,’ ‘The Master says this to you: ‘Where is the room for me to eat the Passover with my disciples?’ 12 The man will show you a large upper room furnished with couches. Make the preparations there.” How could Jesus know about the colt and later the man carrying a pitcher? A hypohesis of mine is that God is omnipresent and God may have been entangled with jesus. What God saw, Jesus saw by entanglement. Knowing about quantum physics, Jesus could maybe have said this metaphore: ” God choose who to become entangled with”. but at Jesus time he had to talk with metaphores for fishermen, shepherds and farmers and not for physicians. the idea of two entangled objects as the same entity not matter the distance, is confirmed in Jesus words “I and the Father are one” ( John 10.30 ). .
I see a possibility of omnipresence with entanglement. With entanglement God can see with the eyes of those trillion species that have useful eyes, from insects to other animals around you. In the same way is God able to hear with the help of all whose animals and humans around us that have useful ears. But God can maybe also listen to our brains as we are somehow entangled I found Dennis Zetting who tries to explain omnipresence using knowledge about elementary physics. I like his introducing with psalm 139:7-10 ). I have however yet difficulties to accept his explanation as a proof of omnipresence. And I wonder what he knows about quantum physics when he talks about electrons spinning around the nucleus. I have not found any article written by him about quantum physics. I think he uses the word “quantum”to legitimize his conclusions. I would not conclude like he does, saying that “the Bible the greatest scientific document ever written”. We emit light, like infrared light that mosquitos can see. About synapses he talks about, I have never heard that our brains neurons by themselves emit some kind of electromagnetic waves. if you do not let the brain hydrogen atoms respond to certain electromagnetic frequencies MRI scanners emit. fEven i our neurons emit some strange electromagnetic waves, it doesn’t prove God/Allah “is in us” but possibly able to “listen to us”. The Bible and the Quran say God is all-knowing. But that could be a reality with entanglement that is a Quantum reality. Dennis uses a a simple electromagnetical reality to describe a so called Omnipresence. I doubt that that electromagnetic waves from our body and brain could be a way for God to listen to our brain activity and understand our thoughts. I think that the truth is far more complicated than that. I am a little reluctant that he uses the word “Quantum physics” when his explanation is based on elementary and partly wrong Physics (the spinning electrons is a old view abandoned long time ago). Maybe Dennis uses the word quantum to attract attention and legitimate his conclusions. . Quantum computing with qubits What can God calculate with quantum calculation?
The constants of the Universe
In Einstein’s field equation we find ∧(lambda) the cosmological constant is the value of the energy density of the vacuum of space it is calculated to be All constants (c, Eulers e, G, h, Lambda, pi, phi !, Q, T ) that build up the Universe may have been calculated with this calculation power.
- Read about string theory and connection between parallell Universes at http://www.thewayofmeditation.com.au
- This article talks about meditation. But I am thinking about having contact with God as many believers thinks or believe they have.
- I believe that Mary. Jesus and all our near relatives who died may be in some parallell Universe. Another hypothesis of mine is that we may be able to talk with them if we succeed to set ourselves in in right mood/frequency.
- Some believe it is possible to get in touch with dead people.
- I wrote about this in http://www.kinberg.net/2018/01/24/life-and-afterlife/#Contacts-afterlife
This man is following my same path
Conclusions 1 (updated last time, July 25 2021) I have two questions I am still searching a answer for:
- How to connect to a God that has no physical form? For me the inner voice and silence as Elisabeth of trinity suggests, are solutions. I wrote about silence in a separate article. Seing the Universe as enormous system of vibtating strings, that looking closer to it vibrates in 11 dimensions, I might thing that God could be like a orchestra director. I am thinking about changing the title of this page to God the supreme orchestra conductor. And the orchestra needs a conductor. (July 25 2021)
- How do you know what is divine and what isn’t? For me divine is something that is not possible to do without the help of God. Jesus words are divine as those words could not have been spoken by a human of his time. Divine are also somehow the laws of nature, laws a human barely understand and would not have been able derive without our mind. So also our human body is somehow divine. I do not believe in the Creation of man as described in Genesis. Divine is for me the way our body was created through evolution from atoms, molecules, virus and bacteria. No one does still understand the consciousness and how we got it and how we become conscious. So also consciousness is divine whether it is human or animal.
I like what mam Al-Amir Mahfouz (spiritual leader of Al_Hussein Mosque, Cairo). said: “You can not imagine God. God is beyond imagination. Whatever you would imagine , God is beyond that imagination” Beyond imagination is also the Quantum field theory that rules the Universe and its creation. Inspired by Nils Bohr’s saying about Quantum mechanics, I conclude this page with: “if you are not astonished by the miracles of Jesus, then you have not understood God.” Imagine a huge field of flower that is expanding. There are billions of galaxies in our Universe.
- Every flower is like a galaxy in our Universe.
- Every flower developes out of a seed. And every flower grows according to a program (DNA) where specific rules and constants are defined.
- The gardener takes care of the field and looks if a flower needs extra care.
a( Image taken from videohive.net ) The composer But this gardener is a special gardener (conductor) that also programmed the seeds that were sown on the field. So we can say that this gardener is also a composer. Like the flowers on the field, our Universe is a field of different orchestras, galaxies. The orchestra The playing strings are not like we can imagine. These strings vibrate in 26 dimensions. The conductor A human orchestra needs a conductor. But this field of orchestra does need a conductor only now and then. Every string plays its own music according to reset rules and constants. The piece of art The piece of art (God and its creation) is a billion years long piece of music. Now you maybe understand why I decided to change the title of this page to” God-the string orchestra composer and conductor”
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“Theologists and Scientists about God”
I wrote about God in several Pages and posts on my site. After a talk with a good friend that is an Atheist, I decided to create a page that resumes what I know about the perception of God in history and the perception of God by Scientists and Theologists today. I started with this page December 2018. I update this page as I find new info. The last one was made 20200819 when I added more information about Spinoza’s perception of God. You find these pages about God in the menu above under Theology-interreligious:
There are also some posts about God to be found under http://www.kinberg.net/wordpress/stellan/category/theology/:
- introduction 2
- Religion anthropology
on a separate page about bias and deities
- Agnostics God
- Musicians God
- Scientists God
- Philosophers God
- Giordano Bruno
- Theologists God
- Jonas Gardell
- Anna Maria Viola – “God is more mother than father”
- Bruno Giordano
- Christians God
- Other religions God
- Conclusions 2
I add here a few comments from quora I think is written by agnostic people that do not deny the existence of a God but discuss it.
God is undeniably cruel!
With all the evil around the world it is not strange that many believe in a cruel God. in this comment I invite you to read these comments found inQuora: “If God, as understood by Christian mythology, exists, then it patently clear that he/she/it is undeniably cruel.” Some more opinions based upon the Bible about the cruelty of God, are shared in Quora :
- “He creates all the animals as male and female, but then he creates Adam all by himself with no female companion. Does that make any sense? What are his dangly bits for? Are they purely recreational?
- Adam and Eve are to live in Eden without the knowledge of Good and Evil. That means they have no moral compass- they must rely on God to tell them right and wrong.
- The kind-hearted Promethean snake helped them evolve by eating the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge, giving them the intellectual ability to see the chains God put on them.
- God did not like that, so he punished them- punishment for the crime of being able to think for themselves.
- All through the rest of the Bible is one account after another of this petty tyrant attacking humanity repeatedly whenever they were not kissing his divine ass.
- Notice that the worst possible sin in the Bible is not rape or murder- it is worshiping false Gods, worshiping idols, and not worshiping the big old HIM.
- God is more of an egomaniac than Trump.
- These attacks against humanity include the biggie- total global genocide in a flood. If a human father drowned his children in a bathtub, (all but one child of course) we would all consider him to be a monster, and rightly so.”
I listened to this nice Youtube about Johan Sebastian Bach. At minute 1:15 the speaker said Später wierd ein Kollege von ihm (ed. Johan Sebastian Bach) sagen
“Es mag sein, daß nicht alle Musiker an Gott glauben, an Bach glauben sie alle.”
In English: “It may be that not all musicians believe in God, but they all believe in Bach.” I looked for this sentence to see who said this..zeit.de says that Compoeser Mauricio Kagel said this once. He also said: lHätte ich ein Credo, dann wäre es dieses. Bachs Musik erweckt in mir ein Gespür für Transzendenz, obwohl ich nicht religiös bin.(Read more in www.zeit.de )
- The Ted seminar “This Is Your Brain on God | Michael Ferguson | TEDxSaltLakeCity“
These images with texts were taken from Source: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/12-famous-scientists-on-the-possibility-of-god_us_56afa292e4b057d7d7c7a1e5?guccounter=1 Nigel Warburton tells more about Einstein’s perception of God in https://aeon.co/ideas/what-einstein-meant-by-god-does-not-play-dice
Max Planck about God
Later in life, Planck’s views on God were that of a deist. For example, six months before his death a rumor started that he had converted to Catholicism, but when questioned what had brought him to make this step, he declared that, although he had always been deeply religious, he did not believe “in a personal God, let alone a Christian God.” ( Wiki ) In this video, you will listen to a physicist who explains God’s omnipresence with Quantum Physics. His site is at quantumcreationministries.com
Michio Kaku about God
“The mind ofGod is cosmic music resonating throughout 11-dimensional Multiverses.”( Michio Kaku ) “Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from divinity” ( Arthur C Clark. ) Michio Kaku tells about God in this youtube:
Richard Dawkins about God
Despite the title “The God delusion” this is a documentary about religion and its relation to Science.
A historian and philosopher share his view about deities in this video:
Theologists about God
I read a few theologist’s books about God and Jesus. The best book is according to me, Jonas Gardell’s book “Om God” in Swedish. According to Jonas, the perception of God has developed among humans from being an “eye to eye, teeth to teeth ” God to a loving and forgiving Christian God. Baruch is one example: Barush said in chapter 1 ver 13 about the burning of Jerusalem Jonas’s book is published in English by Mattias Gardell with a separate title at https://www.amazon.com/Gods-Blood-Pagan-Revival-Separatism/dp/0822330717/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1544361401&sr=1-1-fkmr0&keywords=about+god+jonas+gardell inspired by Jonas Book and approach I wrote this post about Jeremiah. www.kinberg.net/wordpress/stellan/2018/10/30/jeremiah/
Anna Pia Viola – God is more mother than father
Pope Luciani (John Paul 1) said once “God is more Mother than Father: this is why a mother brings us closer to God” ( www.albanuova.net/2008/ ) https://exnovomen.wordpress.com/ discusses this further Jesus talked about his father but many things make God to appear more as a mother than a father. Anna Pia Viola, Professor of Philosophy at the Theological Faculty of Sicily. ( www.ilpozzodigiacobbe.it ) discussed shortly this issue in the program “As Sua Immagine” in Italian television Rai 1 on August 15 Said in A Sua Immagine August 15 2021:m2021. I found a video with her speech about this made 2107. As the transcript was very bad and almost unreadable I decided to make a copy on my channel:
Spinoza – God is all. All is God – Pantheism
“God does not exist elsewhere apart from things, he is in everything, and he is the force with which everything exists. This is why every true self-awareness is also the consciousness of God who knows himself. .. whether it is a human being, a plant, a stone, or a breeze that touches our face: … in each of these God lives and expresses himself eternally.” (Translation from an article written by Emanuele Coccia in Repubblica 20200819 ) The perception of God develops with Scientific discoveries. Today we learn more and more about God’s “invisible qualities” looking at the Quantum particles and their functions. With my (limited) knowledge in this field, I wrote my page about “THE QUANTUM GOD“. The perception of God will develop more, with more discoveries and the time. it is not surprising that Einstein with his knowledge said .
This text below is taken from my page www.kinberg.net/wordpress/stellan/2017/09/18/agnostic_pluralist_approach/ Einsteins said he believed in Spinoza’s God. Einsteins said, “I believe in Spinoza’s God, Who reveals Himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God Who concerns Himself with the fate and the doings of mankind.” ( read more at www.kinberg.net/science-without- religion/ ) That is called a pantheistic view. God is not an external creator separated from its creation. Read more about pantheism in www.pantheism.net
- Einstein also had an “unbounded admiration for the structure of the world“
“Baruch Spinoza and Albert Einstein considered God to be essentially the sum total of the physical laws which describe the Universe” (Carl Sagan Broca’s brain) Baruch Spinoza said: “Whatsoever is, is in God and without God, nothing can be or be conceived.” “God is the indwelling and not the transient cause of all things We feel and know that we are eternal Do not weep, do now wax indignant. Understand.”
- (God is all, All is God. Starts a pantheistic and Deistic view of God. Very much appreciated by Einstein.
Bruno Giordanos God
It is without any doubt that Bruno was a Creationist who believed in one God has created the Universe. He loved and studied the Creation but Bruno Giordano was one of the first who questioned the story of Genesis. After having seen a several meters deep salt mine in Germany he argued that all this salt could never have been created in 4000 years. Read more about God’s perception of God in my post at www.kinberg.net/wordpress/stellan.
Georges Ivanovich GURDJIEFF
Gurdjieff was born in Alexandropol (now Gyumri), Armenia January 13? – October 29, 1949 , was a Greek-Armenian mystic and self-professed ‘teacher of dancing’ In Italian Quotes about God taken from enlightened-people.com and www.katinkahesselink.net
- “Two things in life are infinite; the stupidity of man and the mercy of God.”
- “The greatest untold story is the evolution of God.”
- “I have an ideal, I have always been a Catholic. But I no longer see Jesus Christ in the same way.”
- “I wish you to understand that your nearest – father, mother, teacher – can serve as your ideal in place of God”
- “Having direct contact with God is impossible. “
- “God is far, there are many stages before you reach him, do not think about Him.”
- “You cannot pray directly to God. You imagine so, but you waste your time. “
- “No one has seen Him, for the law of contacts is strict.”
- “You will look for your God when you have felt guided in the right direction, on a good road, for instance by Mme. de Salzmann. Then she will be your God. She is not God, but she will be your first stage; you can have contact with God through her; make all your prayers and good manifestations pass through her and that itself will make contact with the next stage. Then a third stage and finally it is possible that your prayer will reach the real God.”
the story of God
Thanks to archeologists and Theologists like Jonas Gardell I am able to write about the story of God.
- Morgan Freemans “The story of God“ gives a good introduction. it is a pity they have removed it from Youtube. I have it save on my hard disc. I focused a post on what was said in this video starting at 1:35:26. The post is available at www.kinberg.net/wordpress/stellan/2017/09/18/religious-pluralism/
Jehovahs Witnesses (JW).
A Lutheran creed that describes God
I got a script with the title “Thoughts about life, god and mankind” from Mats Hermanson from Visby May 2017 with images from Åsa Höjer, Sensus The script shared several thoughts about God:
- 3. God is always greater You can never catch God. You can never fully describe God. God is a vibrating primordial force that is the basic requirement for everything- like the smallest cell and the Milky Way and everything else, that life is connected to.
- 6. God has no sex
- 28. God has a mission.
- 65. God comes near.
- 72. Our image of God is important.
- 76. God talks to us.
- God can not be limited.
- 81. God is with us in everyday life.
- 82. God is political.
- 85. All love is of God.
- 93. God does not give up when it comes to you or me.
John Paul about God, the mother
Pope Luciani (John Paul 1) said once “God is more Mother than Father: this is why a mother brings us closer to God” ( www.albanuova.net/2008/ ) https://exnovomen.wordpress.com/ discusses this further In Pauls’s letter to the Romans 1:20-22 you can read about God that “ever since the creation of the world, the invisible existence of God and his everlasting power have been clearly seen by the mind’s understanding of created things.”
Pope Luciani said 10/9 1978: “God is father but still more, mother”
Read more in
Other religions God
Dalai Lama said “Religion Without Quantum Physics Is an Incomplete Picture of Reality”
For Buddhists, the existence of God is of secondary importance. But Buddhism doesn’t stop you from believing in a God.
I collected all information I have about Buddhism in this page: www.kinberg.net/wordpress/stellan/buddhism/
Hinduists are said to have many Gods. Swami Vivekananda (12 January 1863 – 4 July 1902), was an Indian Hindu monk. he said this about God: Rabindranath Tagore (Gurudev) was a Bengali poet, writer, composer, and painter.He also talked about God., He may not have been a Hinduist however.
- “Go not to the temple to put flowers upon the feet of God, First, fill your own house with the Fragrance of love and kindness… “
- “The self-expression of God is in … the daily process of surrendering ourselves, removing all obstacles to union and extending our consciousness of him in devotion and service, in goodness and in love…”
- “With the breath we draw we must always feel this truth, that we are living in God.”
- “The man of devotion is meek because he is conscious of God’s right of love over his life and soul.”
- “God, the Great Giver, can open the whole universe to our gaze in the narrow space of a single land.”
- “Your idol is shattered in the dust to prove that God’s dust is greater than your idol.”
- “God loves me when I sing. God respects me when I work.”
Read more in www.thecho.in and www.learnreligions.com Read more in www.tamilbrahmins.com/threads/go-not-to-the-temple-a-poem-by-tagore.34809
Ramajunan born on 22 December 1887 into a family ofTamil-speaking Hindu Brahmins (Brahmin is a cast of teachers and priests) family in Erode, Madras Presidency (now Tamil Nadu, India) His mother educated him into a Tamil-speaking Brahmin following their family tradition and puranas, to sing religious songs, to attend pujas at the temple, and to maintain particular eating habits—all part of Brahmin culture. ( Wiki ) Srinivasa Ramanujan credits his mathematical findings to Namagiri, a form of Hindu goddess Lakshmi . According to Ramanujan, she appeared to him in visions, proposing mathematical formulas that he would then have to verify. One such event was described by him as follows:
While asleep, I had an unusual experience. There was a red screen formed by flowing blood, as it were. I was observing it. Suddenly a hand began to write on the screen. I became all attention. That hand wrote a number of elliptic integrals. They stuck to my mind. As soon as I woke up, I committed them to writing. (Wiki )
Image source: www.dhevee.org
SadhGuru defines God in this video. I recommend it. I added a few citations from him below. A few citations from his speech:
- “God is sacred, Creation is filth”
- “The moment you thought that there must be a Creator because you are a human you thought: “a small man cannot do all this. it must be a big man”
- Idi Amin declared “God is black”
- “Now women are arguing that God could b a woman.”
- “When the man was the most powerful force on the planet, the man was naturally God”
- Y”our idea of God is just an exaggerated version of yourself””
- “You are still not able to define yourself. Whatever definition you put on yourself is not correct”
- “Any kind of definition you put on yourself, it is not enough to describe this one” (ed. GOD).
- “When this small piece of the creation is like this, the source of creation, how are you going to put a definition on it?
- “You can not define it, you can not understand it. You can only dissolve into it. You can experience it. You can’t make knowledge out of it.”
- “Whatever knowledge you have about God, it is pure nonsense, cultural nonsense.”
- “it can only be experienced. Experience does not mean you an eat it or you can grasp it.”
- “You can experience only by dissolving in it. There is no other way”
- “”We are just looking for a method of dissolution so we can experience something bigger than ourselves”
The Hebrew Bible does speak of God in bodily form: Is 7:14 speaks of, “God with us, being born of a virgin.” Also, Messiah will return to earth: Zachariah 14:4-21. comment from Steve Polanko in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiFixVjwAYk rabbi Yizchack Breitowitz, from Jerusalem, said in the video above that God is “infinite and non -material.”
Surah Al Fatihah starts with:
“In the name of Allah, the Entirely Merciful, the Especially Merciful.”
Read more in http://www.allah.org/ Safiyyah Sabreen Syeed is a good example of a Muslim. She share in this video her observations of the signs of Allah. .
Sufism or Taṣawwuf (Arabic: التَّصَوُّف), variously defined as “Islamic mysticism“, “the inward dimension of Islam” or “the phenomenon of mysticism within Islam”, is mysticism in Islam, “characterized values, ritual practices (like dance), doctrines and institutions” which began very early in Islamic history and represents “the main manifestation and the most important and central crystallization of” mystical practice in Islam.] Practitioners of Sufism have been referred to as “Sufis” (from صُوفِيّ, ṣūfiyy / ṣūfī). Sufism is sometimes mistakenly considered a “sect“. ( Wiki ) https://archive.org/details/WhatIsSufism-martinLings I wrote about Sufism in a separate post May 2018 Eric Hermelin that translated a lot of Sufi poetry
- Lo, I am with you always means when you look for God, God is in the look of your eyes, in the thought of looking, nearer to you than your self, or things that have happened to you. There’s no need to go outside. (www.azquotes.com/ )
- “What you seek is seeking you”
Zoroastrism was the first monotheistic religion. Zarathushtra was the first Zoroastrian prophet who is said to have written the Song of Zarathushtra, the Gatas. The main moral for this religion today practiced by Zoroastrians around the world is “Good thoughts, Good deeds” About the Zoroastrian Persian King can be read in 2 Chronicles 36:22-23 “Now in the first year of Cyrus king of Persia, that the word of the Lord by the mouth of Jeremiah might be fulfilled, the Lord stirred up the spirit of Cyrus king of Persia, so that he made a proclamation throughout all his kingdom, and also put it in writing, saying, Thus says Cyrus king of Persia:
All the kingdoms of the earth the Lord God of heaven has given me. And He has commanded me to build Him a house at Jerusalem which is in Judah. Who is among you of all His people? May the Lord his God be with him, and let him go up!”
About The Zoroastrian God can be read in http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/zoroastrian/beliefs/god.shtml and in http://www.hinduwebsite.com/zoroastrianism/beliefs.asp I wrote more about Zoroastrism in http://www.kinberg.net/2017/09/26/being-interreligious/#Gathas
I shared my personal perception of God in
My perception is of course not static. I have not stopped searching for God.
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