Category Archives: Thought

He will wipe every tear from their eyes

I saw again the film Don’t Ever Wipe Tears Without Gloves”, a story about love, in this case about the love of Benjamin and Rasmus, two boys who loved each other. 

One of them, Rasmus, died in Aids in the early 1980s when AIDS came to Stockholm. 

Benjamin was a brave Witness of Jehovah who knew the Bible very well.  But Benjamin loved Rasmus and decided to leave the Jehovah witness. Despite that, he remained a good Christian. He never committed adultery and betrayed Rasmus, something that Rasmus did going to bed with other men.
Benjamin was therefore lucky and never got infected.
He survived the painful death of his boyfriend. Benjamin helped taking care of Rasmus at the hospital, despite the risks of infection.

Benjamin, declaring himself as homosexual, was however excluded from his family who was J. Witnesses. Benjamin suffered heavily being abandoned by his family.

Benjamin was not even allowed to attend Rasmus’s funeral as Rasmus’s parents were afraid of bad talks in their home village north of Stockholm.

Benjamin told about his story, 20 years later, and about his story is this film based. The film that is really a film about true love, is available at IMBd.

Benjamin’s favorite Bible verse was Revelation 21:4:

4‘He will wipe every tear from their eyes. 
There will be no more death’ or mourning or crying or pain, 
for the old order of things has passed away.”

Benjamin comforted his friend Rasmus with this verse before he died at the hospital.

God/Allah/יהוה is a forgiving God that understands humans’ need for true love. And Jesus said “Love you enemies and forgive 7×77 times.

(from the Quran Al-Fatihah 1:1
in English: In the name of Allah, the Entirely Merciful, the Especially Merciful

Some scientific facts to consider

  • We are all developed in the womb as physically female embryos with e.g. clitoris instead of a developed penis. Only later female embryos become male embryos. Some males can develop differently getting in love with the same-sex humans.
  • You can not decide whom you get in love with, as it depends on your brain’s functions.
  • Homosexuality does not depend on previous traumatic experiences and can be cured as some religious (JW) say.


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Memories and emotions

I happened to find this youtube.

Laura Pausini is famous all over the world. But her memories makes me remember mine in Torino, where I landed 10 years old and lived for 9 years.

I grew up in that town but f I had to leave Torino 19 years old as a Italian young man born in Sweden but with a 100% Italian hearth.

Now I am back in Italy in our summer/vacation location, Lipari. It has always been my dream in Sweden to come back here where I were  almost every years since 1968 and my German mother later lived and died.

Sell what you own and give the money to the poor

From the liturgy of the roman catholic of Sunday October 14, ( Mark 10:17-30), we read
“man ran up, knelt before him and put this question to him, ‘Good master, what must I do to inherit eternal life?’
The man who was avery rich, said he followed the Mosaic rules Jesus reminded about. 
Jesus looked steadily at him and he was filled with love for him, and he said, ‘You need to do one thing more. Go and sell what you own and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; then come, follow me.’ 
But his face fell at these words and he went away sad, for he was a man of great wealth.

23 Jesus looked round and said to his disciples, ‘How hard it is for those who have riches to enter the kingdom of God!”

What does really Jesus meants with this

Did he say that I have to sell my house and garden my mother gave me after so much sacrifice and begin to live on the road spreading the message of God?  Did he meant I should leave nothing to my childrens the day I die and start my sleep?

If I sell my home I wtill have have to sleep  in a test or cave ,, much  like Diogenes. That would be hard as I am not a young man anymore and after my strokes, I am sensible to stress needing good sleep to work.

Jesus with the metaphore of the making good value of money in …

said to me I have to be careful with my health and do my best to live as long as possible.

It is really not easy to follow this invitation of Jesus. 

Many poor  people today, begging for money on the streets , are abused by criminals who used them and take the money they collect. This happens in Sweden and mauybe also in many other countries.

I dont want to give my money to criminals nor do I want to give  money to the church that already is so wealthy.

I try to make effective donations as I wrote in a previous article.

UNHCR Effective altruism and collaboration

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I have previously written about the art of being “kind”

As  Stefan said: “Doing a good thing gives the same pleasure as a drug. You can stop taking drug and start making good things and get the same good feeling.”

This reminds me about what Martin Seligman said:  “meaning comes from belonging to and serving something beyond yourself and from developing the best within you.”  I wrote about  this in :  meaning-of-life/#conclusions )

Kindness, purpose are related to  cooperation

Cooperation can be done at local level in your work, your neighborhood. But that can also be practiced cooperation on a global level by e.g. contributing to organizations that you know use your money effectively.

Beth Barnes ) says in the Ted I share below: “And all the evidence suggests that giving money to charity makes you happier than spending it on yourself.” 

 

Our brains changes when you train altruism. It shows without ambiguity that there is a structural and functional change in the brain when you train the altruistic love.

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I were for long time contributing to Medecins sans frontieres, Greenpeace and UNHCR. I felt well doing this. It was not much money I gave but a Swedish wisdom says

“Många bäckar små blir till en stor å”

Translated to English that reads:

Many small streams become a big river

a sentence that is used in www.sustainable-communities.eu in a completely  different context.

I  listened in youtube  to a American millionaires story. he did not feel happy being a millionaire. He choosed to become a altruist donating money.

I don’t remember his name.  After this Yotube, I got information about a  two  nice Ted videos: 

  1. in the first video we listen to Mathieu Ricard, a French Buddhist who  describes a buddhistic view
    • about the society we live in today, 
    • about the reason why we should become more altruistic
    •  about altruism in nature,
    • about the human altruistic nature,
    • and  how we can train altruism at school with meditation.
  2. 2. My second Ted is about”effective altruism”. where Beth Barnes describes and share
    • her view about altruism 
    • how to become more effective in our altruism.
    • and what effective altruism can lead to.

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Altruism

Here is Mathieu Ricards Ted:

There are two types of altruism.

  1. One  is about helping someone in you proximity, at work, in your neighborhood or in your village/town
  2. the other is about sharing your wealth, donating money. 

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Effective altruism – sharing wealth.

here is Beth Barnes about effective altruism  donating money:

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2.Effective altruism – helping your next

On a personal level you also have to think about effective altruism. You must avoid empathic distress, balancing altruism and the care of yourself.
 
I myself became a burn out and most probably because of empathic distress I got several strokes. I had to leave my job as a teacher a job I loved. 
 

“The balancing act of being altruistic and not falling into empathic distress requires concentration, awareness, and attention to our intentions and motivations around these acts. We must continue to question the benefit or harm we may be causing ourselves and the person we are serving.

It may be hard to imagine how a good intention, and seemingly “selfless” act can become unhealthy or even toxic. Which is why it’s vital for us to be mindfully altruistic—the art of being aware of ourselves and others while serving them.” ( Source:  www.elephantjournal.com  )

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Conclusions

I will continue to donate 30€ monthly to UNHCR, while being open for other alternatives like the ones Beth Barnes suggests. Donating money doesnt normally harm if you do it wisely together with you family and relatives.  At least not when it is not more than12 USD a month like with UNHCR. I get news from  UNHCR now and then like the info about this video with Italian text. I befcame a supporter at the airport of Catania.

l will  however be careful not harming myself while helping my next. This raises a ethical dilemma something i wrote about in http://www.kinberg.net/wordpress/stellan/kindness/#ethics

Like with the man who saved a boy on the railway in Mathieu Ricards Ted.

Will I risc my life to save anothers? For a child i would maybe do that, without thinking about the consequences. But in other cases maybe not. I have suffered enough after helping at school. with my mutliple strokes and the resulting mental fatigue.

.I am right now trying to help  a good friend who suffer. But I am careful with the time I am spending. I call him when I feel reloaded.

I have thought it would be nice to become a UNHCR volunteer somewhere in the world but I have difficulties now with heat, stress and  surprises. I  do my best donating some of my retirement money.

 

 

 

 

 

In Sweden you have to wait months to know if you have cancer

I am reading Stefan Einhorns book “The art of being kind” published 2005. I am writing about this book in a separate page under [learning] – [psychology] – [kindness]”

In page 74 I read this:

“It is absurd that you have to wait for months to know if you have a tumor.”

I wrote about the Swedish healthcare  in http://www.kinberg.net/wordpress/stellan/2018/06/18/swedish-health-care/

What Stefan wrote about in 2009 is maybe still a reality 2018. I think I know why.

health analysis costs money.

In my experience and understanding it is because Sweden wants to shop up nice figures. Sweden saves money, avoiding among others  to do more analysis to know what exactly is going on in your body.

This happened to me 2009 when I had a pneumonia and they did not made a X-ray to check. They presumed I had renal calculi, a less costy diagnos and sent me home with recommendation to not drink water, despite my blood levels gave clear signs of a ongoing  infection. 

The same   happens to me today summer 2018. I got at Alstermo, Uppvidinge county,  healthcare center, twice times, strange liver blood values, Values  that could  depend on a newborn tumor. But they choose to presume I have  liver cirrosis and want a third blood test to preclude alcohol damages. Maybe because I am not a normal cardriving  and shortcut  60+ man, clothing like a old man and  not respecting the Jante law ( Click here to know more about the Jante law ) then you are not normal.) I be an alchololic. Lets proove that.

See my blood levels below. Levels marked with a star are high.

The same doctor at Alstermo health care didnt want to make a KPA blood test. The doctor said she can not make it without checking  with the finger first, despite I have had prostata cancer in my family. The doctor in another town said I may have a prostatitis. They made a KPA test but never sent me the results.

My blood levels could depend on a Liver cancer. But my health status does not support that hypothesis. But something still very small is maybe growing in my liver?  Why not check before it is to late?

Swedish health care helps you maybe  if you have obvious signs of acute sickness, like you are getting blue or are loosing a lot of  blood or you have a cardiac arrest. But not always in such cases neither.  A ambulance was never sent a year ago to a very sick person. They said “Take a cab to the urgency” That person died. I am personally afraid of getting sick here in Sweden, after all my experiences. I wont tell here how I could get 5-6 strokes, the last one september 2014.

Swedish health care remind me about a  cynic money focused society controlled by AI robots, a society that reasons like this:

“1. if you have a liver cancer you will die anyway very soon, so no sense to spend money in expensive exams.
1. a liver operation is very expensive  and we must avoid such a cost
3. Sweden has no use of a retired man that just costs money. Better get rid of him the natural way.”

No wonder “that many health care professionals suffer from stress-related disorders. Stress due to ethical dilemmas is usually referred to as moral distress”  according toSofia Kalvemark . a,*, Anna T. Hoglund , Mats G. Hansson , PeterWesterholm , Bengt Arnetza  (Source: http://www.jipts.com/_Uploads/dbsAttachedFiles/Livingwith.pdf  )

A question – the name of a film.

I saw many years ago a scaring black and white film about a cynical Society where elders were simply killed in a  cinema for 60+. The cinema floor flipped over having all guests falling down in a basement.  If someone knows the name of this film, please share below. Sweden 2018 reminds me  about this film.


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The whisperings of the devil

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Introduction

OBS. This post is now update in my page about devilś perceptions.

This post was from the beginning focused on the discrimination of women by men and the reason for this, I found in the Bible.

I later found a documentary made by Morgan Freeman about evilness and why there is evilness. He asks “Why does God/Allah not stop this?”. I think this is an important question I earlier had an answer for.

This page will soon be updated with information about Holy wars, mass murders (Tutsi among others), and persecutions like those of Rohingya Muslims in Burma.

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Believes in the devil

Joseph Baker wrote that“over half of the respondents absolutely believe in the existence of Satan and hell, while 47.7% “absolutely” believe that demons exist. When the categories of “absolutely” and “probably” are combined over 75% believe in Satan, over 73% believe in hell, and nearly 70% believe in demons. Given the United States’ comparatively high level of religious belief (see Norris and Inglehart 2004) these figures are not unexpected, but they do provide quantitative evidence for the prevalence of such beliefs.

This belief seems still to be strong.

“According to a 2013 YouGov survey

“57 percent of respondents believe that the devil exists, including 72 percent of African Americans, 65 percent of Republicans and 61 percent of women. Most believers are Christian and live in the South” ( Daily mail and”( www.psychologytoday.com

  • How many especially women have not been tortured and killed as believed to be in conspiracy with the devil?
  • In the name of God, there have been many massacres. Psychology today tries to analyze this. ( Read more in www.psychologytoday.com )

So the belief in a God and Satan, are topics that have to be looked at seriously. My questions are:

  • Why this widespread belief in deities like satan and God?
  • What does psychology say about the concept of God and Devil?

I will in this article try to give some light to these two phenomena.

For many, the devil is something real and serious. For some others, it is an object of fun. Rowan Atkinson made a parody of the Devil in this video:

If there is some truth in the Genesis and later in the Quran and in the Gospel, the Devil talks with convincing words, like he did to the intelligent woman who wanted to know more about good and evil and to many others after her. If the devil exists then:

  • Satan, as it is described in sacred texts, seems to be an intellígent beast:
  • He has a masculine character that loves power. But it was intelligent enough not imposing and commanding even with the use of violence. Others did that for this beast.
  • it is a jealous type that wants to be like God
  • it is a sadistic type that loves others to suffer because he himself probably did being lower than God.
  • it is an egocentric type that likes to brag about his knowledge (he knew about the Creation process and observed God with comments like “And God saw that it was good” (1:18,1:21,1:25)
  • It likes according to me, to brag about his power:
    • to destroy the  paradise and Creation of God, by convincing Eve and indirectly Adam,  he did in the story of Genesis

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Evilness

Theological explanations

Christians and Muslims say that Evilness comes from the Devil ( shaitan).

We are according to the Bible inherently evil as we inherited evilness from Adam and Eve who “choose” to listen to the devil, the “original sin”.  That is a theological explanation.  I am inspired by the Quran that tells that there was a long time in the development of man that is “unknown”. 

A prisoner in jail for multiple murder and rapes said he did this being led by inspiration, desire  and impulses he could not control. There were no plans behind his acts. the man is an example of a psychopath, that lacks among others empathy and impulse control. This can be seen in a MRT ( magnetic resonance tomography ).  This kind of human seems to have parts of the emotional brain underdeveloped There are methods to identify psychopathy.  the Hare Psychopathy Checklist is a tool to screen screening tests for potential psychopaths. (  Source: https://www.businessinsider.com ).  With brain-scan on youth from the age of 12,  it is possible to intercept brain underdevelopment and future destructive behavior.

This man is like Morgan says “evil personified”. We have fought for thousands of years with evil instincts. 

Morgan asks “Does a psychopath have a possibility to choose not being evil?”

A theosophic anthropological hypothesis

I think  we are able to become evil as we inherited a brain from the  instinct driven animal world. Animal unempathic instincts were essential for surviving  once in a time. We have alter on developed a frontal lobe of reason and empathy,  that must control the “snake or red chicken brain” we still have, the animal in us.

If that is not the case like with psycopaths, the animal brain easily takes over, developing behaviours that we call evil. My  hypothesis is theologically nourished  by the  Creation as described in the Quran as I mentioned above.

I described it in my  “Unified theory Creation  theory” in http://www.kinberg.net/wordpress/stellan/2017/09/08/unified-creation-theory/  that theory later ended up  in my “Enlightened Genesis” in http://www.kinberg.net/wordpress/stellan/the-enlightened-genesis/

Thanks to the developement of the frontal lobe and reasoning, because of this, I wonder now if  the Quranic hispering devil (Iblis) has got a possibility to mislead us and make us choose the easy solutions, like giving freedom to wrath, revenge and similar expressions. This is especcially possible if a human has a underdeveloped frontal lobe like in youth and people with psycopathic tendencies.

The zoroastrian view of evil is: 

“God is in all of us.  Good and evil exists in us all. We must make the choice. Each one of us has to purge the evil from within us by doing good

Purging the world of evil is not the work of messiahs, its the work of each one of us, whoever we are.

 

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Discrimination of women

 

Paul wrote wrote this about the Bible in  2Timothy 3:16

“All Scripture is inspired of God ….”

After my article about  the “women keep silent” article, I stumbled again upon a similar txt från Paul at a JW meeting.

“Wives, submit yourselves to your husbands” colossians/3-18.htm ) and no woman reacted at the meeting. I talked with a young talented JW (Jehovah witness). She promised to come back with explanations about significance of the biblical word of submission.

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Submission of women

I later got answer from another JW. Submission is better explained  by Paul in his mail to the ephesians. (  Ephesians 5:21-25 )

with these words:

21 Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ.
22 Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. 
23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything. 
25Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 

26to make her holy,
25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 
26to make her holy”

I like independent and intelligent women to collaborate and learn with. I dont want to be the “head of my wife”. I like to cooperate so I am very reluctant to instructions like women “submit to their husbands in everything.” and similar. There are situations when the husband should submit to his wife e.g. if the wife is a doctor and the husband is sick.

For some reason I dont know, you do not hear these and similar texts at Catholic mass anymore. 

It is a fact that women are better students, get often better results and are many times more intelligent than men.

So I see no intelligence in this and similar sentences of Paul nor a inspiration of all knowing God. How many women have not been beaten and eve killned because they did not “submeir huit” to thsbands acccording to a presumed “divine” law? Looking at what men have done on this earth, men should submit and listen to their wise women sometimes.

Paul explains clearly in Ephesian verse25 that the husbands should love their wife. But how many times hasnt Pauls text been manipulated and abused for other purposes<?

A divine messenger inspired by a all-kniowing God, choose the words well, to not cause unneccesary damages. A all knowing God would understand how bad choosen words could be used by evil men.

I do not mention how Pauls words may  have been used by feminist atheists to argument that Christianity  supports discrimination and submission of women.

The word “submission” has with time since Paul used it taken different definitions.  https://bibleresources.org/submission-in-marriage/ explains submission in mariage with  “yielding to another’s desires without resistance” (Source : bibleresources.org ) something some men believe is that the husband should accept any kind of sexual  desires.

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Women today

Women are taking over more and more, as doctors, pilotes, experts, polices, not only in the western world.

Women have also become important in Pakistan Police force.

Bildresultat för pakistan women train fighting

And many Pakistani girls attend boxing club to become better defending themselves from ignorant men who like to submit women with violence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZeaSGocITo 

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Inspired by the Devil?

Thinking about the negative consequences of

  • Genesis Adam and Eve story (read more about this in the-enlightened-genesis/) ,
  • Pauls many sentences about the wifes and husbands roles
  • Peters mudrer of Anania and Sapphira, 

Moses and the apostles may have been inspired by the Devil, rather than by God.

The Quran warns about this telling what Iblis (the devil) at the beginning in heaven  said:

By your might, I will surely mislead them all. Except your slaves, among them, the chosen one.   [ Quran 38:82-83 )

I wonder who were the chosen one excepted from Iblis treath. Jesus?

The  Quran recommends this prayer:

“My Lord, I seek refuge in You from the suggestion of the evil ones.”  (Quran 23:97 )

As this  article from islamweb.net says

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Whispering is the Devil’s Weapon

How many time haven’t you read about Psychotic Thoughts when e.g. a killer said “A voice told me to do this.”

Believe in the Devil or not, but such thoughts are a reality. If there is a devil, not only killers have been  misled. As I wrote above even the Christian apostles  Peter and Paul may have in my opinion, been misled. Peter killed Anania and Sapphira for a stupid lie, as I wrote about in “Top abuse of power”.

Eve were tempted according to the old Genesis and Adam didnt use his brain and followed Eve to please her.

Jesus was tempted in the desert. Maybe even other prophets were miled like Mohamad (PBUH) who attacked monotheist Zoroastrians having them to search safety in India.

All of us humans especcially if we have power, are subject to the risc of being misled. Look at  the sideffects of power:

‘Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely’

(Source: www.phrases.org.uk )

About the use of the word submission, Paul explains clearly the role of the husband “to love his wife”. But his use of “submit” in  “Wives, submit yourselves to your husbands” taken out of its context was easy to interpret differently by e.g. evilminded men something that has been done for centuries after Paul wrote this.


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The 5 gifts.

In a previous article “The earth shall last forever” Kjell talked about the Earth as a gift. to us a good friend Michele  in Lipari developed Kjells talk with more facts about this gift. I wrote about Micheles talk in “The earth to the righteous.

Thinking about gifts, I  came to the conclusion that humanity really got 5 gifts:

  1. the earth with all its resources
  2. the fantastic human body and brain
  3. intelligent nature
  4. freedom to decide not being ruled by instincts
  5. Order and complexity
  6. the messengers who shared divine wisdom with us in the holy books.
  7. The sacrifice of JesusWhy

I have my own agnostic and interreligious hypothesis How we got these  documented in my illuminated Genesis.

We must show gratitude for the gifts by taking care of these by among others:

  1. recycling the resources, not poisoning the earth and treating its animals well
  2. taking care of our bodys potentials,
    • developing good strenght, physically with useful muscles (our body) and
    • developing our brain by solving problems and getting knowledge about anything we love to know about, e.g. the Nature we were given(our brain) 
  3. be good humans making our next happy sharing love
  4. reading if possible books, the Bible, the Quran, the Gathas and the Pale Canon among others, the time you have available

I will in this article dig deeper in these aspects writing about some facts I think are important intresting to know about.

  • the earth with all its resources

  1. Our earth is
    • perfectly situated at the right distance from the sun
    • It rotates in 24 hours allowing us to rest
    • it has gravitation that makes the atmosphere thick enough to protect us from metheors, 
    • it has a magnetic field that prorect us from the plasmasphere ( Read more )
    • it has a water and carbon cycle that gives us access to water and oxygen
    • the capability of the atmosphere to contain water allows all kind of vegetables to grow on earth giving us nutrition, carbohydrates, vitamines and proteins.
    • it offers us delightment with all its colors, panoramas and spectacles

Read more in the earth shall last forever.

I am happy to be able to recycle plastic, paper and glass in Lipari, the Aeolian islands. But I dont understand why it is not possible to recycle metal, like aluminium. A f4riend of mine here on Lipari said that the aluminium cans can be placed together with plastics, that these are separated in Catania.

How edo they separate auminuum cans from plastic in Catania? Mining  aluminium costs a lot of energy and destroys nature with its mines. It seems like no Society  in Sicily, Italy has yet discovered how much money there is  available recycling aluminium and iron.

Some people do not care to differentiate and throw anything in the boxes.  Excuses are e.g.:

  • “many others dont care so i dont care neither” or
  • “the company mixes everything so why should I care”
  • But which raw model do we have to emulate? The bad polluting unthankful guy or the good recycling thankful guy? 
  • the fantastic body and brain
  1. normally we inherit a fantastic body and brain. 
  2. it is able to protect itself from bacteria and virus
  3. it is able to recover from accidents, the blood coagulating rapidly
  4. it is able to become very strong and intelligent to build things and solve advanced problems
  5. it is able to live for many years if it’s taking well care of. 
  6. it warns us with psychosomatic signals if something is not right, e.g. we are under to much stress
  7. with our brain we are able to reach mental estates that allow us to resist pain and difficulties 

 

  • our free will not being ruled by instincts

 

 

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Order and complexity

The order and complexity in our Bisophere is indeed fragile, due to the inherent Natural loss of enthropy.

As Shambles wisely concluded in his video comment:

“1: Complexity arose from simplicity (You can argue all you want about how you believe this happened)
2: Complexity is vulnerable in a universe ruled by entropy
3: We are complex beings in a very complex world and this makes us extremely fragile. If we refuse to acknowledge and respect this vulnerability, complexity will break down.
4: We must use the powerful tool of collective learning – not to exploit the complexity of our world but to preserve it.”

  • the messengers who shared divine wisdom

“And indeed, We gave Musa (Moses) the Book and followed him up with a succession of messengers. And We gave ‘Îsa (Jesus), the son of Maryam (Mary), clear signs and supported him with Ruh-ul-Qudus [Jibrael (Gabriel]. Is it that whenever there came to you a Messenger with what you yourselves desired not, you grew arrogant? Some you disbelieved and some you killed.” ( Quran 2:87

My raw model is Jesus and the rules I follow are

  1. Love your enemie
  2. Do not judge 
  3. the golden rule: treat others as you would wish to be treated
  4. Love your next

I read all kind of holy books. But if something there is said that is against the rules Jesus teached us, I jump over and maybe regard these texts as written  by humans. Like many texts in the Old ttestament in the Bible about stoning. like:

 

(See 10 more sites in :   http://dwindlinginunbelief  )

or some reason Muslim fanatics took over this custom from the hebrews. No instructions about stoning is find in the Quran.You find however the word kill in the Quran English translation with the instruction “in the way of Allah” and “transgress not the limits” the verse before.

“And fight in the Way of Allah those who fight you, but transgress not the limits. Truly, Allah likes not the transgressors. And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah is worse than killing. “ ( Quran 2:190-191)

You wont ever get the enemie on your side if you kill them. So kill is for me not a divine intelligent advice.

The sacrifice of Jesus – Why

The sacrifice or passion of Jesus, beeing tortured and hanged up on a cross or a pole is well documented also in film like 

and “The passion  of the Christ about his last 24 hours of life

The meaning of the sacrifice of Jesus as a ransom for many (the redemption) is the difficult issue to understand. The vatican site has an article about the redemption theology

The Witness of Jehovah site also dedicates a page about the issue in “Jesus sacrifice, a ransom for  many”.

theory of atonement is also talked about in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ransom_theory_of_atonement

Origen of Alexandria was one of the most influential figures in early Christian theology, apologetics, and asceticism. He has been described as “the greatest genius the early church ever produced” Origen was the first to propose the ransom theory of atonement

 

Women should keep silent – Gods will?

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Introduction

I personally can not regard everything in the Bible as being words and commands of God. Some parts in the Bible look to be written by men not “inspired by God“.  Maybe were these men  even inspired by the devil.  We are all humans, Jesus like Adam were tempted by the devil so maybe also Paul. I say this thinking about the damage some parts have creted as I write about in “Consequences of Genesis

I probably met a fundangelical literalist last week at the JW “Sala del regno” in Lipari I had a discussion with a Jehowah Witness in Lipari.

( Image source: noreligionblog.wordpress.com  )

I am not a JW but I am attending JW (Jehowah witnesses) meetings as they are very helpful and talented in finding different parts of the Bible, even better than the catholic priests I talk with. And their jw  app is a great tool for those who want to know more about what is written in the Bible.

As it looks like JW regard the whole BIble as the word of God, “inpired by God” using the words of 2Timothy 3:16.  I asked therefore a  Italian JW brother:

“Is the sentence of Paul

let the women keep silent in the congregations”

a sentence/order made by God?

He couldn’t answer, tried to deviate, starting to talk about other parts of The Gospel. I asked again the same question asking him for a yes or no or I dont know, but invane.

A Witness sister had another approach telling me about other parts of Pauls letter where Pauls talked about women active in Rome (see the women leaders in my artile below).  But that wasn’t a answer neither to my question. I made however, thanks to her, my own research both in NT and OT. I came to the conclusion that Paul with his sentence, contraddicted himself, the NT and OT. He had a blasphemic moment distracted by stress or the sentence was added later by others in the CAtholic church. I found a blog where Swedish Richard  Cruz discusses this issue. His articles are the main sources of information I used in this article.

Word inspired by God 

I think it it has no sense to discuss whhich are  the Words inspired by God without having any definition or criteria about what are “Words  inspired by God”.

Paul wrote wrote this about the Bible Timothy  in Ephesos in 2Timothy 3:16

“All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight,* for disciplining in righteousness, so that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.”

As I have nto found any criteria bout this  I use my own criteria when I read the Muslim Quran, the Buddhist PaleCanon, the Zoroastrian Gatha, The Christian Bible.

These are:

Words may be inspired by God if …

  1. I find the same moral rules and principles  in several holy books.
    good thoughts, good words, good deeds. the world's most beautiful country: IranThis is e.g. the case of Jesus rules and the Buddhist 8- fold path to enlightment and the Zoroastrian Gathas Good Thoughts, Good Words, Good Deeds
  2. the sentences I read follow:
    1.  Jesus rules (my ethical ground rules)
    2. the Golden rule
    3. Love your next, your enemie (e.g. rivals) , your neighbor
    4. Do not count the times you forgive ( Mat 18:22
    5. never betray a confidence 
      A talebearer reveals secrets, But he who is of a faithful spirit conceals a matter. ” (  Proverbs 11:13 NKJV  )
  3. A rule is not contradictory to other parts of the same book
  4. If modern science support
  5. a moral rule  leads to improvements, good constructive results 

The word of God is discussed in noreligionblog.wordpress.com/

As a pluralist I am of course not a fundangelical, as is explained by  www.extremelysmart.com

Paulus words

“let the women keep silent in the congregations, for it is not permitted for them to speak. Rather, let them be in subjection, as the Law also says.   If they want to learn something, let them ask their husbands at home, for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the congregation”   (  Cor 14:34 )

This is confirmed in  Thimothy 2:12 that says “I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man, but she is to remain silent”

he come to this conclusions with the Genesis as he says in 1-Timothy 2:13-15 :

“For Adam was formed first, then Eve. Also, Adam was not deceived, but the woman was thoroughly deceived and became a transgressor.  However, she will be kept safe through childbearing.”

Maybe JW doesn’t regard these as words of and orders by God as JW women are allowed to speak in the congregation but beause of 1-Timothy 2:13-15 they never lead the assemblies.

In any case, the sentence “women keep silent” goes against Paul himself and the Bible

Read the thoughts about this verse by

www.rickardcruz.se 

this is another part that I hardly see as God’s word. How can the appearance of hair be that important for God?

In the Vatican and the Dome of Milan, women are not allowed to enter without covering the hair. But men can enter even with long hair.

These verses are according to me written by men who think they are superior to women.

The woman is man’s glory not Gods?

( 1 )  ” but every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered shames her head, for it is one and the same as if she were a woman with a shaved head. For if a woman does not cover herself, she should have her hair cut of but if it is disgraceful for a woman to have her hair cut off or shaved, she should be covered.  For a man should not have his head covered, as he is God’s image and glory, but the woman is man’s glory.” (  Cor 11:5-7  )

This reminds about the Muslim people that require women cover their hair. And woman as man’s glory? typically written by a man with no selfconfidence at all that has not learned that the last on Earth is first in Heaven. Paul, sometimes should men keep their mouth shot.

JW women seem not to follow this so these sentences may not be seen as words of God?

Biblical arguments against “the women keep silent”

If it were heretical for women to speak in congregations, Jesus would not have asked Mary to tell what she saw and Jesus told her, to the brothers as is written in    John 20:16-18  :

( 1 )  “She turned toward him and cried out in Aramaic, “Rabboni!” (which means “Teacher”). Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”18 Mary Magdalene went to the disciples with the news: “I have seen the Lord!” And she told them that he had said these things to her.”

In this text there is no distinction between women and men:

 ( 1 ” a renewal in which there is no distinction between Greek and Jew, circumcised and uncircumcised, <sup class="footnote" style="box-sizing: border-box; font-size: 0.625em; line-height: 22px; position: relative; vertical-align: top; top: 0px;" data-fn="#fen-NASB-29529a" data-link="[a]”>[a]barbarian, Scythian, slave and freeman, but Christ is all, and in all.”

( 1 )   So, as those who have been chosen of God, holy and beloved, put on a heart of compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience; bearing with one another, and forgiving each other, whoever has a complaint against anyone; just as the Lord forgave you, so also should you.”  (  Col 3:11 -13 )

( 1 )   The women should not be silent in the congregation as is written in  ( Psalms 68:11  )

The Lord gives the command; The women who proclaim the good tidings are a great host

Women leaders in the early churh
I found very useful information in My translation from  www.rickardcruz.se
Three women  followed Jesus and are mentioned several times in the Gospels. At one point it says that Jesus was with the twelve disciples – and these three women.Why there were only men among the twelve were probably because they traveled, lived, stayed overnight and went extremely close together for three years and that it had been very difficult to do that with a mixed group in that society.Translated from  www.rickardcruz.seMary, Joanna and Susanna and many others( 1 )  ” After this, Jesus traveled about from one town and village to another, proclaiming the good news of the kingdom of God. The Twelve were with him, and also some women who had been cured of evil spirits and diseases: Mary (called Magdalene) from whom seven demons had come out;  Joanna the wife of Chuza, the manager of Herod’s household; Susanna; and many others. These women were helping to support them out of their own means” ( Luke 8: 1-3 )Mary from Magdala 
Mary fom Magdala had a life-changing encounter with Jesus when he liberated her from seven evil spirits. She became one of Jesus’ followers and sometimes traveled with him. She was just like the other disciples, following Jesus  and received his teaching.
She was present at the two most important events in Jesus’ life: the crucifixion and the resurrection. She is mentioned at least twelve times in the four Gospels, which is more than most of the male disciples. Jesus chosed to allow Mary to be the first to prove himself in his resurrection as I wrote about above.He also sent her to be the first witness of the resurrection of the other disciples. This is contrary to the prevailing system in the Jewish society where women were not considered credible as witnesses.My translation from  www.rickardcruz.seFillippus four unmarried daughters
 We do not know their names or if they were considered prophets but they prophesied according to   ( Acts 21:8-9 ): ( 1 )   “Leaving the next day, we reached Caesarea and stayed at the house of Philip the evangelist, one of the Seven. He had four unmarried daughters who prophesied.”Febe – Co-worker of Paul who served the church in Kenkrea. We do not know which service / gift she had but that she was now traveling to Rome with Paul’s recommendations may very well suggest she was a traveling serviceman.

( 1 )   “I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deacon of the church in Cenchreae.”

(Romans 16: 1)

My translation from  www.rickardcruz.se

Maria – Workers in the Assembly of Rome. She was a congregation worker and leader who had made a big difference to the church in Rome. (

Greet Mary, who worked very hard for you. “  ( Romans 16: 6 )

My translation from  www.rickardcruz.se

Junia – according to Paul, she was a highly regarded apostle. For centuries, the female apostle Junia has been the headache of the male church hierarchy. Many have tried to claim that Junia was actually a man but there is no proof of anything other than that she was actually a woman.

( 1 )   “Greet Andronicus and Junia, my fellow Jews who have been in prison with me. They are outstanding among the apostles, and they were in Christ before I was.” ( Romans 16: 7 )

My translation from  www.rickardcruz.se

Tryphena and Tryphosa

Their names make it likely that they were either slaves or former slaves. My translation from  www.rickardcruz.se

( 1 )   ” Greet Tryphena and Tryphosa, those women who work hard in the Lord. Greet my dear friend Persis, another woman who has worked very hard in the Lord” ( Romans 16:12 )

Priska / Priscilla

“Greet Priscilla and (ed. Priscillas usband) Aquila, my co-workers in Christ Jesus.  They risked their lives for me. Not only I but all the churches of the Gentiles are grateful to them.”

Priska and her husband traveled and moved several times. In Ephesus, Corinth and Rome. Probably she and her husband served as the noblest / community leader. She and her husband met Apollos early in his service and taught him thoroughly. He is later referred to as an apostle. (Acts 18: 2-3, 18, 26, Romans 16: 3-4, 1 Corinthians 16:19, 2 Tim 4:19)

My translation from  www.rickardcruz.se

Euodia and Syntyche

( 1 )   ” I plead with Euodia and I plead with Syntyche to be of the same mind in the Lord. Yes, and I ask you, my true companion, help these women since they have contended at my side in the cause of the gospel, along with Clement and the rest of my co-workers, whose names are in the book of life.”  ( Phil 4: 2-3 )

Friends, Leaders and Employees of Paul in the Gospel Service in the Philippi Assembly. 

My translation from  www.rickardcruz.se

Consequences of verses in Genesis

I would like to analyze the consequences of some verses in Genesis regarding the Roles of Adam and Eve. 

It is important to know that both Muslims and Christians believe in the same story and roles of Adam (deceived by Eve) and Eve (the deceiver) 

As you will see the story of Genesis led to a chain reaction (Domino effect)

Effect 1.

Paul who thought that all scripture in the  Bible (Genesis included) were inspired by God ( 2 Timothy 3:15 ) red and interpreted  Genesis in  1-Timothy 2:13-15 as I wrore above, like this :

“For Adam was formed first, then Eve. Also, Adam was not deceived, but the woman was thoroughly deceived and became a transgressor.  However, she will be kept safe through childbearing.”

(ed. “kept safe” from being stupidly deceived by the Devil or commit more crimes? Only the Bible contains such a statement, the Quran doesn’t, even though many Muslims thinks that women should not study nor work but instead take care of the childrens and the home. )

Pauls conclusion after reading Genesis, was therefore:

  Effect 1a.” However, she will be kept safe through childbearing.”

  Effect 1b.“”I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man, but she is to remain silent” ( Thimothy 2:12 )

Effect 2. With support of Pauls  verses  above ( (Effect 1b in 1 Tim. 2:12-15).),  Brian Allison like many priests, states in http://www.bibleword.com/wwsnbp.htm: “The second reason why women are not to be pastors or elders is because the Scriptures (ed. Pauls letter to Thimotheus is regarded as Gods law) specifically prohibit such action.”

As is described in http://www.womenpriests.org/jesus-empowered-women/

In the Middle Ages everyone took for granted that only men were present at the Last Supper.” This led to the conclusion by  the Church thath only men should be allowed to  perform the Eucharist in his name.

This is maybe changeing as  “faithful Catholics  show why the exclusion of women from priesthood is wrong”. Read more inn http://www.womenpriests.org/

Among those who welcomed Francis during his visit in Sweden was Lutheran Archbishop Antje Jackelen of Uppsala. Jackelen is the primate of the Church of Sweden and a woman.  See photo above from www.ncronline.org.

On the question ‘Who is more important in the theology or in the spirituality of the church: the apostles or Mary, on the day of Pentecost?’ ” Pope Francis anwswered: “It is Mary!”

However the Pope said that the ban is going on that direction ( ed.  a everlasting ban ) in the Catholic church.  Read more in  www.ncronline.org

This everlasting ban is one of the consequences of the story of Adam and Eve. Maybe this ban was only of one of many.

One can speculate about other consequences  of Genesis like 

Who loosed most from the story of Genesis? The women.

Who won power with the story of Genesis? The men.

Bible scripts, Jesus did not accept

I discuss here a few parts that jesus did not accept and whose rules he changed triggering the wrath of the priests of his time. 

  1. Did God say “Defeat your enemy and put aside the clothes of a pleasant women prisoners in your home and make her your wife?”

These verses tell you how God will help you defeat your enemie and how a man  can have sex with a attractive prisoner woman. 

( 1 )  “When you go to war against your enemies and the Lord your God delivers them into your hands and you take captives, 11 if you notice among the captives a beautiful woman and are attracted to her, you may take her as your wife. 12 Bring her into your home and have her shave her head, trim her nails 13 and put aside the clothes she was wearing when captured. After she has lived in your house and mourned her father and mother for a full month, then you may go to her and be her husband and she shall be your wife. 14 If you are not pleased with her, let her go wherever she wishes. You must not sell her or treat her as a slave, since you have dishonored her”  (  deuteronomy 21:10-14  )

What Jesus said years later

(You heard that it was said: ‘You heard that it was said: ‘You must love your neighbor and hate your enemy.  However, I say to you: Continue to love your enemies and to pray for those who persecute you,” ( Matt 5:43-44 )

jeus said “it is said”  He didnt say “God said”. So Jesus maybe indirectly says that deuteronomy 21:10-14 :  is not the word of God. It is superfluous to talk about the aberrant instruction to use a pleasant prisoner woman. 

  1. No, the word of God is this intelligent and constructive statement:

“love you enemie and persecutor”

2a. Did God order you to Stone your stubborn son?

These verses of  Deuteronomy 2:8-25 are also very questionable:

( 1 )   “If someone has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him,  his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. They shall say to the elders, “This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a glutton and a drunkard.” Then all the men of his town are to stone him to death. You must purge the evil from among you. All Israel will hear of it and be afraid.”

Sons should show respect to the parents but stubborness we know of today, may have other causes than being evil. Maybe the son has some trauma from bad experiences or simply, the parents are not behaving as good parents. A God should know this and that elders may not be able to judge in a correct way. I can not see these verses as inspired by God.

2b. Did God order you in case of adultery to  Stone your daughter in front of your house?

This is what God commands according to the Bible: 

( 1 )  “If, however, the charge is true  (ed. the woman is found not to be virgin and no proof of the young woman’s virginity can be found,  she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done an outrageous thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father’s house. You must purge the evil from among you.” ( Deuteronomy 22:20-21 )

More can be read about this in https://carm.org/bible-difficulties

How can you p4roove that a woman is virgin? Not all women loose blood after the first intercourse.  God would have known that.

What Jesus said years later

 “Read these verses of John 3:1-11

( 1 )  “As he was speaking, the teachers of religious law and the Pharisees brought a woman who had been caught in the act of adultery. They put her in front of the crowd.  “Teacher,” they said to Jesus, “this woman was caught in the act of adultery.The law of Moses says to stone her. What do you say?” 
They were trying to trap him into saying something they could use against him, but Jesus stooped down and wrote in the dust with his finger.  They kept demanding an answer, so he stood up again and said, “All right, but let the one who has never sinned throw the first stone!”  Then he stooped down again and wrote in the dust.
When the accusers heard this, they slipped away one by one, beginning with the oldest, until only Jesus was left in the middle of the crowd with the woman.10 Then Jesus stood up again and said to the woman, “Where are your accusers? Didn’t even one of them condemn you?  “No, Lord,” she said. And Jesus said, “Neither do I. Go and sin no more.”

Jesus the one who has never sinned, did not ask for witnesses and proves  nor did he stone her. Even if he  clearly said “you shall not commit adultery”  (  Matthew 5:27-28 ) he let her go telling her “sin no more”

This behaviour of Jesus is in total agreement with the no judge  law Jesus himself proclaimed:

2. God said this intelligent and life changing adv ice

( 1 )  “Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven. luke 6:37 )

We have to judge in todays society but have developed a system for that to minimize riscs for mistakes. many countries are against death sentences for the same reason. We must protect the victims. while respecting humans right, giving  criminals possibilities to start a new  life without crimes.

3. Did God at request from ELiha, order young children to be torn   to pieces by “shebears”?

Read 2 Kings 2:23-24 that tells about what young boys made to Elisha and what God made at his request:

“He went up from there to Bethel. As he was going along the way, some young boys came out from the city and began to jeer at him, and they kept saying to him: “Go up, you baldhead! Go up, you baldhead!”   
Finally he turned around and looked at them and cursed them in the name of Jehovah. Then two she-bears came out of the forest and tore 42 of the children to pieces

Do you  believe that God had this happen? Is this the truth? I am in doubt of that.

3. No. God said this intelligent and life changing advice about how many times you should forgive:

up to 77 times” ( Mat 18:21-22 )

Conclusion

 about that Paul with his sentence contraddicted himself, the NT (Jesus himself)  and OT (Psalms 68:11). He had a blasphemic moment distracted by stress or the sentence were added later by others in the Catholic church.

That God gives instructions on how humans should dress (  see verses in  Cor 11:5-7  ) is  like the Muslim God that in the Quran instructs about  heritage amounts ( 4-Al-Nisa ). This seems to me, not to be a issue for a God to spend precious time with.  Especcially not when the main message is love your next and enemie ( enemies that may be women challengeing you .

I can not find any other conclusion that the story of Genesis was written by men led by their own instincts and absolutely not “inspired by God”.

If there is a God (I am agnostic as you may understand) and a  God per definition should be all knowing, a God would have understood the weakness of Adam, that Adam in the presence of a beautiful woman like probably Eve was, were to become simply stupid. Not forgetting that Eve was of the same body of Adam and therefore like a twin brother.

God should have sent the message instead, that men should sometimes keep silent and not get to much powers being to  much driven by instincts and heir hormones.

For me it seems obvious that some parts of the Bible are word of men and not inspired by God, words of men who in part  either

  •  erroneously translated their messenger
  • or misinterpreted their messenger
  • or overinterpreted what they heard adding their own fantasies to make their story more intresting or readable (like parts in the  Genesis, as using the word day instead of millenia and with “God rested the seventh day”  or blameing the woman for for the mans  failures

There is also a hypothesis that Pauls  “Women shall keep silent ” has been added after his death , maybe by the same people who argued that Pauls Junia was a man.

The same can be seen  in the Quran were “fight” has been translated to kill in contradiction of Moses law “you shall not kill” a translation that led many youth to go to ISIS.

like the Catholic church does not accept women to be priests because of Pauls “Women should keep slilent.” and many women in Sicily have suffered as hey couldnt proove their virginity after the first mariage night, one has to read the Bible with a listening and thinking mind. Not to forget that several text were created 6000 years ago, transmitted  orally and written down hundreds of years later, like the books of Moses.

That the Genesis said the Paradise was created down here on Earth (as the translations sound like) is one of my doubts. Even if geniously written, I think the Creation message in Genesis has been greatly simplified and  misinterpreted downgrading God to a magician and artists. If Genesis really originated from God, then God shows great humility with this account of the Creation.

I prefer however the more mistical Muslim version where Paradise with Adam is created in Heaven (like Jesus was before everything) and Adam was sent down to Earth as a punishment for disobedience, incarnated in a human beings body, like I wrote about in my Unified creation theory.

Words inspired by God or by the devil? 

About the suggestions of the evil ones will be the issue for the next post.

 

Footnotes

(1) About texts from the Bible in this article. If you are reading Bible text in the English vesion and using the Google translate option, you must know that the Google translation may not be a approved translation. We recommend you to open the  approved  text  in your choosen language here in Biblia or here in jw.org.