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25. The apostels looking for Jesus

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Talmidin

Talmidin were those who followed Jesus and accurately wrote own what Jesus said and teached.  ( https://www.thattheworldmayknow.com/rabbi-and-talmidim ), 

Their memories and documents later reached  Paul and the evangelists who wrote Mark, Matthews, Luke’ and John’s gospel.

Lukes gospel is regarded by many to be the most accurate gospel. There are also suspicions that some New Testament texts have been adjused to fit the early church dogmas.

About Mark we can read what Clement of  Alexandria said in a letter found  1958,  by Morton Smith, a professor of ancient history at Columbia University,  in the monastery of Mar Saba situated 20 kilometers south-east of Jerusalem.

 “when Peter died as a martyr, Mark [i.e. Mark the Evangelist] came over to Alexandria, bringing both his own notes and those of Peter, from which he transferred to his former book [i.e. the Gospel of Mark] the things suitable to whatever makes for progress toward knowledge.

Clement wrote in his letter about the unfalsified Gospel of Mark, later called  “secret gospel  of Mark”.Read more in http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/secretmark.html

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Jesus teaching

There are little  doubts about what Jesus teached and  said.  Especcially those parts that are against the Christian dogmas should be genuine words of Jesus. Examples are:

  • “Love your enemie “ and Jesus letting his feet be cleaned by a prostitute. Jesus  told with these examples,  that God want the sinner to be converted and not killed. The Catholic  Church defending its dogmas, didn’t follow Jesus, killing and tortureing with its inquisition.
  • Jesus choosed Mary of Magdala to inform the disciples about his resurrection. Only now Mary of Magdala is recognized as not having been a prostitute, thanks to pope Francesco , with a special Sunday mass dedication in June.
    Despite Paul regarded women as submitted by men, he recommended several women as good disciples. The Catholic Church has yet not accepted that women could be priests. Neither does Witnesses of Jehova let women lead their meetings.
  • http://www.famigliacristiana.it/articolo/santa-maria-maddalena-la-discepola-calunniata-che-per-prima-vide-la-risurrezione.aspx )
  • “Eli Eli Lama Sabachthani” are also  probably genuine  words of Jesus. Jesus wouldnt have said if he regarded himself a God.
  • The Gospels confirm parts of his teaching. The Gospel of Thomas  I(see https://archive.org/details/TheGospelOfThomas) documents several words  of Jesus that are  found also in the other Gospels. The Gospel of Thomas found in Egypt may have been uses by the Gospel writers.
  • Hypocrisy. Jesus is very severe against hypocrisy as in Matthew 32  “they love to be greeted with respect in the marketplaces and to be called ‘Rabbi’ by others.”

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the Gospel writers never lived with Jesus?

It is often said that the Gospel writers probably never lived with Jesus.  This may be true for Luke who was a greek by birth.

Paul

Paul himself said he experienced Jesus resurrection

“Last of all he appeared to me too, as though I was a child born abnormally.”  (1 Corinthian 15:8 ).

John

John himself claims in John 21:24 that the Gospel of John is based on the written testimony of the “Beloved Disciple”.

as  a follower of John the Baptist may be the only one who have been with Jesus from the time he was very young following Jesus from his baptism to his death and resurrection.

Even if John and Paul lived with Jesus it looks like they did not follow every step Jesus made from his birth to his death. Also John and Paul may have had help from survived disciples. And were something was missing like about Jesus childhood, the apostles filled in the missing parts with what they believed must have been the truth, taking inspiration from the elder sacred scripts, like the story of Moses.

The childhood and life of Jesus is very much a paraphrase of the life of Moses.

Some of his disciples may however have lived when the first Gospels were written,

Marks gospel was  probably written with the help of Peters eyewitness as Peter was imprisoned in Rome.

Read more at www.whatchristianswanttoknow.com

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The Gospels contraddict each other

Genealogy. Matthew says that the father of Joseph was Jacob; Luke 3,23 sdsays that the father of Joseph was Eli;
Luke says Jesus has 57 ancestors included Abraham;
Matthew says he had 42ancestors that are different;
John does not add a geneaology.

Disciple election. According to John Jesus chooses his disciples almost first of all at Bethany; Matthew and Kuke reports that Jesus choosed his disciples in Galilee;  
Matthew and Luke says that Jesus choosed the disciples in Galilee in the North of Israel; John says that Jesus choosed the disciples in Bethany in the south of Israel.

Easter celebrations. Jesus celebrate according to John, thee Easters, that is Hannukka, Sukkopt and probablìy Shavout;
Mark, Matthew and Luke talk only about one Easter in Jerusalem

Father prayer. John does not mention Jesus prayer despite he dedicated 5 chapter to the last evening.

John the baptist. Luke says that John the Baptist and Jesus were related;
According to John they seem not even to know each other.

(Source “Inchiesta su Gesù”, Corrado Augias, Mauro Pesce)

According to John Jesus said in Joh 10:30  “I and my Father are one”  Only John reports about this.  This is maybe because only John witnessed d this teaching.

This sayinghas led many to believe and say things like  “Maryam mater dei” that  Mary is  the mother of God and give Jesus he epitet”God” as in God Jesus” like e.g. the article in https://www.allaboutjesuschrist.org/jesus-is-god.htm tries to explain.

 I wrote about this issue in a previous post at www.kinberg.net/wordpress/stellan/2019/02/10/is-jesus-god/

24 Jesus clever joke

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Introduction

Saturday evening April 20 we read that Jesus appeared with two of the disciples in a funny way.  He was resurrected and he made  yhe two disciples  believe he was a stranger to have them tell how they  experienced and saw his death. That gave him the opportunity to tell them about the many signs given in the scriptures by the old prophets.

In Scandinavia it is Easter tradition that the childrens go look in the garden if the Bunny has left a chocolate egg. Also in Italy it is tradition to buy big Easter chocolate eggs. 

Why are these two events celebrated together?  I will try to share light on this question in this post.

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The NT text

LUke 24,13-35 tells about a funny way for Jesus to appear after his death.

13 Now that very same day, two of them were on their way to a village called Emmaus, seven miles from Jerusalem, 14 and they were talking together about all that had happened. 15 And it happened that as they were talking together and discussing it, Jesus himself came up and walked by their side; 16 but their eyes were prevented from recognising him. 

Of course they did not recognize him as they did not expect him appear like that. So Jesus made them believe he did not know what has happened.

17 He said to them, ‘What are all these things that you are discussing as you walk along?’ They stopped, their faces downcast. 18 Then one of them, called Cleopas, answered him, ‘You must be the only person staying in Jerusalem who does not know the things that have been happening there these last few days.’

Again Jesus plays ignorant

19 He asked, ‘What things?’ They answered, ‘All about Jesus of Nazareth, who showed himself a prophet powerful in action and speech before God and the whole people; 20 and how our chief priests and our leaders handed him over to be sentenced to death, and had him crucified. 

21 Our own hope had been that he would be the one to set Israel free. And this is not all: two whole days have now gone by since it all happened; 22 and some women from our group have astounded us: they went to the tomb in the early morning, 23 and when they could not find the body, they came back to tell us they had seen a vision of angels who declared he was alive. 24 Some of our friends went to the tomb and found everything exactly as the women had reported, but of him they saw nothing.’

Now Jesus starts making them understand

25 Then he said to them, ‘You foolish men! So slow to believe all that the prophets have said! 26 Was it not necessary that the Christ should suffer before entering into his glory?’ 27 Then, starting with Moses and going through all the prophets, he explained to them the passages throughout the scriptures that were about himself.

 28 When they drew near to the village to which they were going, he made as if to go on; 29 but they pressed him to stay with them saying, ‘It is nearly evening, and the day is almost over.’ So he went in to stay with them.

30 Now while he was with them at table, he took the bread and said the blessing; then he broke it and handed it to them. 31 And their eyes were opened and they recognised him; but he had vanished from their sight. 32 Then they said to each other, ‘Did not our hearts burn within us as he talked to us on the road and explained the scriptures to us?’

33 They set out that instant and returned to Jerusalem. There they found the Eleven assembled together with their companions, 34 who said to them, ‘The Lord has indeed risen and has appeared to Simon.’ 35 Then they told their story of what had happened on the road and how they had recognised him at the breaking of bread.

 

This is a wonderful piece of text where Jesus is making a clever joke having the two disciples believe he is a foreigner to have them tell what happened. Indeed a clever joke. it is simply to nice and clever  to have been invented by Luke.

Pagan origins

I looked at a video that gave med some light on my question above.

The speaker in the video below, says among others:

“There is no doubt hat the stroy of Jesus was embelished with far more ancient mythology to keep the ancient knowledge alive and to encope the wisdon in teh NewTestamentfor future generations.

The Bible is certainly  acarefully crafted work of art”

Look at the video below or read text in  Joanna  Gilliians article at  https://www.ancient-origins.net

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Conclusions

I believe that God, haveing created and controling the Quantum world, is able to do anything. So I believe that Jesus resurrected for two reasons. 

That Jesus choosed to enter Jerusalem at Easter /Passover was a intelligent step.  Jerusalem was crowded by visitors coming to make offers at the temple, from all over Judea and Galilea.

His sacrifice was to be seen by as many people as possible. Crucifixion was a normal event in Jerusalem  that was controled  by the Romans. But Jesus Resurrection was such a strong sign that it added a lot to the impact and spreading of Jesus messages across the Mediterranean. The resurrection made people unerstand that this was not a ordinary man like many others, that was curcified. This is the second reason I believe in the Resurrection. Looking at the impact, the enthusiasm of the disciples after this and the  huge  spreading of Jesus word, the Resurrection must have happened.

23. Jesus the divine offer

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introduction

The doctrin of Christianity is that “Jesus died on the cross for the   sins of humans. If we accept this, your will be saved”  Noone ever could give me acceptable explanation of this.

Why should Jesus suffer such a dead for our 21th century humans sins? Are all sinners the cause  of the horrible death of Jesus?  It sounds like God sacrificed Jesus to torture and death, because we were sinners. 

Muslims do not accept that Jesus was killed as “Allah would not have permitted that a messenger like Jesus  would have been treated like that”. I supported for long time this idea as there is a tomb in Srinagar, India that supports this Musim believe.

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crucifixion

Crucifixion was such a gruesome and humiliating way to die that the subject was somewhat of a taboo in Roman culture, and only a few crucifixions were specifically documented. One of the only specific female crucifixions we have documented is that of Ida, a freedwoman (former slave) who was crucified by order of Tiberius.” (Source: Wiki  )

crucifixion was however  a frequently used Roman mass execution practice. Over 2000 soldiers of the defeated Spartacus army was curcified south of Rome. The Romans developed practical and efficient crucifixion methods.

This video below  tells about the execution practices around the Mediterranean Sea from the Assyrian stakes  to the Romans Tao and Latin crosses. The Jehonan remains in Israel maybe tell how Jesus was crucified. Read more at www.biblicalarchaeology.org

 
Some say that the crucifixion and hand nailing of Jesus is proved by the shroud in Torino, Italy.

The scientific results of studying the shroud are intresting.

physical effects of cruxifiction

Dr Fredrik Zugibe in Rockland County, New York, has analyzed the physical effects of cruxifiction and compared it with the Turin Shroud marks.

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Erroneous translation of the Bible

the Gospels like the old testament have been erroneously translated from hebrew and Greek.

The Jehovahs witness looks to be be correct that Jesus died on a stake. Theere are several “stake-cross” mistranslations in all the Gospels.

You find all these mistranslations googleing with these two links:

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stake or cross

 Despite the disciples wrote in their Gospels that Jeus died on a stauros (stake) the question is still relevant.

Was Jesus  killed at a stake  like William Tindale or at a cross as the Christians believe?

The cross/stake question is really not an important question but it interesting as its answer revealed how the Gospels were mistranslated as written above.

My Lutheran priest in Sweden aknowledged that this mistranslating of stauros into cross is a fact. I decided  therefore to “amputate” my golden cross removing the patibulum to have it resemble a stake. 

The Witnesses of Jehovah talk a lot about this,   to explain why the jehovah-witnesses doesn’t worship  images of Jesus on a cross. They say that the “Bible indicates that Jesus did not die on a cross but rather on a simple stake.”  (source: https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1101989219 ) A human being  could not wear a cross because of its weight. The American film “the Passion” shows a more reasonable view of Jesus on his way to  Golgata (see photo below). where Jesus had to carry the patibulum, the horizontal beam, to Golgata outside Jerusalem were a stake was waiting in vertical position for the Romans to hang the Patibulum with Jesus  on it.

Ropes were used but  as  the victims legs were wet and slippery by urine, sweat and blood, nails  in the heals were used to fix the legs on the stake. The remains of Jehonan as i wrote about above, demontrates the use of nails in the heels.

The Romans let thousands of bodies rot on stakes along the roads in Italy and outside Jerusalem. At a distance it may sometimes have looked like a lot of T (called Tao crosses and sometimes like latin crosses, depending on how high the accused and the patibulum was hanged.

The Tao crosses are probably the most frequent as it is more practical to accomplish.

Caiaphas report

The “Archko volume or The Archeological Writings Of The Sanhedrim And Talmuds Of The Jews” available in archive.org, shares a report from Caiaphas to Caesar about the execution of Jesus. It is found in chapter VI page 96 

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Why slaughter Jesus?

It is a pity that brilliant brains like those of Einstein, Gandhi etc had to die. So why have to let Jesus die? he could have staid for some longer time to help stop the killings of thousands of poor Romans and Roman soldiers like  the Legio II Traiana (“Trajan’s legion”) and Legio VI Ferrata (“Ironclad Legion”). (Source: earlychurchhistory.org )

The Muslims do not accept that Jesus was killed. I have found however another explanation why Allah/God let Jesus die like this. I have two hypothesis:

  1. God let Jesus offer himself as a redemption for   the suffering human beings have experienced thanks to thefor the evilness of human beings, a suffering and evilness that is a integrated part of Gods human creation.  Animals does not suffer death and evil in the same way as we do. God being all knowing,  perfectly knew that humans with such a brain  were susceptible to the whispering of the devil and prone to be terribly evil.
    The angels argued about that with God according to the Quran.

    1. But the offering of Jesus may have have had also a second  purpose: Jesus became a example for many of those Christians who became martyrs in the Roman empire. Without Jesus sacrifice, we would  maybe today still venerate Roman Gods. 
      Thanks to Jesus showing how we can accept and tollerate suffering,  poor Christians in Rome were able to met horrible tortures and death with extreme courage, a courage that impressed Roman soldiers so strongly that some of them and even two  Legions  onverted to Christianity and became themselves martyrs.

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The Srinagar hypothesis

As said above, Muslims do not accept that Jesus was killed as “Allah would not have permitted that a messenger like Jesus  would have been treated like that”. I supported for long time this idea as there is a tomb in Srinagar, India that supports it.

According to this believe “Jesus was saved by someone and fled with a trading caravan along the Silk Way to Kashmir were he preached until he died 80 years old. he may have been regarded there as a important Buddhists as he shared many thoughts with Siddharta Gautama.

“a Kashmir local journalist, Aziz Kashmiri, argued in his 1973 book,  that Jesus survived crucifixion some 2,000 years ago, migrated to Srinagar” . Read more at: timesofindia.indiatimes.com . Read also  “Tourists flock to ‘Jesus’s tomb’ in Kashmir” in news.bbc.co.uk

 

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Conclusions

Whatever happened with Jesus or whatever the reason of his martyrdom were, them the most important is that Jesus gave us good ethical rules to become good humans and be able to met evil in a successful way (” Do not judge and love your neihbor and enemy”). Thanks to Jesus we have today many good examples of  kindness and love around the world as well as good behaviour fighting evilness like with “passive resistance“. Following Jesus  example and messages we  have better possibility to be resurrected for a happier life.