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Jesus baptism and paedobaptism

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INTRODUCTION

Today at Mass John 1,29-34 is read   (Italian version: Gv 1,29-34 )

It reminded my about Jesus baptism that was celebrated on Monday. I decided to take a pause from my math Fourier studies and writing.

This is a update of a post i published January 13 2019.

January 13 the Catholic Mass read about Jesus baptism 30 years old. Jesus baptism has been discussed since the begining of Christianity.

“Baptists—and “Bible churches” in the Baptist tradition—insist that baptism is only for those who have come to faith. Nowhere in the New Testament, they point out, do we read of infants being baptized.” (Source:  www.catholic.com )

I wanted to baptice my childrens in my Catholic church but were not allowed to do that because I never went to mass at that time. We could have done that in the Protestant church but I and the mother decided that the childrens could do that as adults instead, like Jesus did. 

This post led me into a paradigm shift.

INDEX

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The text

I do not add here the text of this Sunday but share texts that may refer to neonatal baptism.

Jesus about baptism

according to  Matthew  28:19 Jesus said after he arise from death:

Go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,”

If this is a true testimonial or a invention from the apostle to justify paedobaptism, remain to be seen.

Matthew 3:13 says:

“03:13 Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to John,
to be baptized by him. But John would have hindered him, saying, “I need to be  baptized by you, and you come to me?”

Mark 01:05 writes why John the Baptist baptized like this:
All the country of Judea and all those of Jerusalem went out to him. They were baptized by him in the Jordan river, confessing their sins.

Mark 01:09 says then “It happened in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized by John in the Jordan.”

Probably Matthew relied on the writings of Mark.

But the apostle John didnt follow Mark. John starts his Gospel 01:29  with Jesus coming to John the Baptist but the apostle John never writes that Jesus got baptized by John. Why?

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The message

I have wondered for long time why Jesus wanted to be baptized by John according to Mark and Matthew. But as john never mention this, I begun wondering  if Jesus ever let himself be baptized.

Maybe after all, Jesus never thought he needed to make “a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins” as Mark 01:04 writes or to “confess his sins”)

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History of paedobaptism

he Greek Bishop Gregory of Nazianz wrote in the second century: ” what do you have to say about those who are still children, and aware neither of loss nor of grace? Shall we baptize them too?’  Certainly [I respond], if there is any pressing danger. Better that they be sanctified unaware, than that they depart unsealed and uninitiated”. Read more inwww.catholic.com

Neonatal death  was very common 2000 years ago. Probably because of that, the Catholic church started  the tradition to baptice newborn babies as soon as possible. Mybe the church did it “to save these newborn from hell or from the original sin”.

Michael Servetus who was sentenced to death because of heresy, said about paedobaptism:

“It is an invention of the devil, an infernal falsity for the destruction of all Christianity.” ( Source: www.newworldencyclopedia.org/ )

I do not understand why he came to this strong conclusion.

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conclusion

updating my article about Jesus baptism I experienced a paradigm shift and understood that I must change somewhat my story about the young Jesus.

Jesus may have baptized with John to rbe a good example for others and to repent his behaviour as a young child when he made his parents scared by not following them out of the temple.

What happens if you die and are not baptized as infant?

Catholic.com does not answer on that question but says that “you are not saved” if you are not baptized. Read more in https://www.catholic.com/tract/the-necessity-of-baptism 

The pope Benedict 16 said that as we choose to get childrens so we should baptize them as “with the baptism they are protected by God” Read more in the Italian site  http://www.santamelania.it

Catholic.com also says “Thus the early Church Fathers wrote in the Nicene Creed (A.D. 381), “We believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.” 

Only the Witnesses of Jehovah do not practice infant baptism. (read more in https://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/baptism.php )

Paedobaptism

As the church regards Jesus as God and therefore his baaptising not a baptising for the sins, the church started the tradition of paedobaptism. Jesus baptism was like a paedobaptism despite his documented 30 years of age.

Despite what Jesus said in Matthew, maybe Jesus himself did errors as a small child and wanted therefore to get baptized for the sins made during his youth.

 

 

Jesus message about miracles

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INTRODUCTION

Today at Catholic Mass we read Matthew 11:02-11 )

This is one of the few parts were Jesus talks about his own miracles. He talks about his and Gods power, the power of doing miracles, supernatural events.

I wrote about miracles and my faith before in www.kinberg.net/wordpress/stellan/2019/01/20/jesus-miracles/

I do not rely on the miracle stories told by the evangelists but I rely on  their sharing of Jesus words especcially if you find these repeated by the other evangelists. The message of Matthew today about miracles is found also in Luke (see below).

You may argue that Luke may have copied Matthew but that you find the same words in Lukes Gospel is also a sign that the author of Luke must have thought that the Matthew gospel was reliable.

Whatever, when Jesus himself talks about miracles then I listen. His words make me believe Jesus could do miracles like I believe God can.

INDEX

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The message

Matthew 11:02-11 says:

“11:2  Now when John heard in the prison the works of Christ,
he sent two of his disciples and said to him, “ Are you he who comes, or should we look for another?”
11:4 Jesus answered them, “Go and tell John the things
which you hear and see: the blind receive their sight, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed,  the deaf hear, the dead are raised up,  and the poor have good news preached to them. Blessed is he who finds no occasion for stumbling in me.”

Luke use almost the same words as Matthew in Matthew 11:04. Look at Luke 07:22:

07:22 Jesus answered them, “Go and tell John the things which you have seen and heard: that the blind receive their sight, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the
poor have good news preached to them. Blessed is he who finds no occasion for stumbling in me.”

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conclusion

When Jesus said “Go and tell John the things
which you hear and see: the blind receive their sight, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed,  the deaf hear, the dead are raised up”

Jesus authority

I wrote about Marys miraculous conception last year in www.kinberg.net/wordpress/stellan/2018/12/08/1-virgin-marys-miraculous-20181208/

Let me paste the text of Luke 1:26-38

26 In the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent by God to a town in Galilee called Nazareth, 27 to a virgin betrothed to a man named Joseph, of the House of David; and the virgin’s name was Mary. 28 He went in and said to her, ‘Rejoice, you who enjoy God’s favour! The Lord is with you.’ 29 She was deeply disturbed by these words and asked herself what this greeting could mean, 30 but the angel said to her, ‘Mary, do not be afraid; you have won God’s favour. 31 Look! You are to conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you must name him Jesus.”

Despite being a doctor, Luke did not know that the birth of a boy requires a egg. and Mary had all eggs created since before her own birth.

“every woman is born with all her eggs already inside her ovaries” ( Source: www.naturalcycles.com/cyclematters/5-facts-about-the-female-egg-cell )

So the miracle is really a miraculous fertilizing of one of those 7 million eggs released from the ovaries at ovulation.

Of course noone at the time of Jesus knew about this.

And probably many Christians listening to Luke today still don’t.

So half of Jesus was already created when Mary was in her mothers womb, maybe 13 years earlier.

So if Luke would have known this, he would have had problems writing that Jesus is “Son of God”instead of “the son of God and Mary”

Despite this, the story Luke wrote is a well written and, nice and motivated tale.

This tale was necessary at the time of Luke

I omitted this part in my demythologized Luke Gospel as I feel that the authority of Jesus is not given by the way he was conceived but by his words and actions.

We should not get blinded by miracle stories and not listen to the great teaching of Jesus.

As jesus said

“Unless you see signs and wonders,
you will in no way believe.” (Jn 4:48)