Theologists and Scientists about God
I wrote about God in several Pages and posts on my site. After a talk with a good friend that is a Atheist, I decided to create a page that resumes what I know about the perception of God in history and the perception of God by Scientists and Theologists today. I update this page as I find new info. The last one was made 20190324 when I added about the Christians and Muslim view about God.
You find these pages about God in the menu above under Theology-interreligious:
There are also some posts about God to be found under http://www.kinberg.net/wordpress/stellan/category/religion/:
- Musicians God
- Scientists God
- Theologists God
- Jonas Gardell
- believers God
- Phislosophers God
I listened to this nice Youtube about Johan Sebastian Bach.
At minute 1:15 the speaker said
Später wierd ein Kollege von ihm (ed. Johan Sebastian Bach) sagen
“Es mag sein, daß nicht alle Musiker an Gott glauben, an Bach glauben sie alle.”
In English: “It may be that not all musicians believe in God, but they all believe in Bach.”
I looked for this sentence to see who said this..zeit.de says that Compoeser Mauricio Kagel said this once. He also said:
lHätte ich ein Credo, dann wäre es dieses. Bachs Musik erweckt in mir ein Gespür für Transzendenz, obwohl ich nicht religiös bin.(Read more in www.zeit.de )
- The Ted seminar “This is Your Brain on God | Michael Ferguson | TEDxSaltLakeCity“
These images with texts were taken from Source: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/12-famous-scientists-on-the-possibility-of-god_us_56afa292e4b057d7d7c7a1e5?guccounter=1
Nigel Warburton tells more about Einsteins perception of God in https://aeon.co/ideas/what-einstein-meant-by-god-does-not-play-dice
Max Planck about God
Later in life, Planck’s views on God were that of a deist. For example, six months before his death a rumour started that he had converted to Catholicism, but when questioned what had brought him to make this step, he declared that, although he had always been deeply religious, he did not believe “in a personal God, let alone a Christian God.”
( Wiki )
In this video you will listen to a physicist who explain Gods omnipresence with Quantum Physics. His site is at quantumcreationministries.com
Despite the title “The God delusion” this is a documentary about religion and its relation to Science.
I read a few theologists books about God and Jesus.
The best book is according to me Jonas Gardells book “Om God” in Swedish.
According to Jonas, the perception of God has developed among humans from being a “eye to eye, teeth to teeth ” God to a loving and forgiving Christian God. Baruch is one example: Barush said in chapter 1 ver 13 abotu the burning of Jerusalem
So the burning of Jerusalem happened because God “turned away from us” God was believed to be omnipotent so the natural conclusion of that time was that God must have been behind this tragedy, like God was behind condemning Adam to a life of suffering.
But Jesus reminded about this perception as he according to Matthew 5: 38 said:
‘You have heard how it was said: Eye for eye and tooth for tooth.39 But I say this to you: offer no resistance to the wicked. On the contrary, if anyone hits you on the right cheek, offer him the other as well;”
And in verse 43 he added
“You have heard how it was said, You will love your neighbour and hate your enemy. 44 But I say this to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you;”
Jesus message to Humans tells what in fact God does. Psalm 136 already said that many years before but humans were blind and did not listened to it.
“Alleluia! Give thanks to Yahweh for he is good,
for his faithful love endures for ever.”
The perception of God developes with Scientific discoveries.
In Pauls letter to the Romans 1:20-22 you can read about God that “ever since the creation of the world, the invisible existence of God and his everlasting power have been clearly seen by the mind’s understanding of created things.”
Today we learn more and more about Gods “invisible qualities” looking at the Quantum particles and their functions. With my (limited) knowledges in this field, I wrote my page about “THE QUANTUM GOD“. The perception of God will develop more, with more discoveries and the time coming.
it is not surprising that Einstein with his knowledges said
Jonas book is published in English by Mattias Gardell with a separate title at https://www.amazon.com/Gods-Blood-Pagan-Revival-Separatism/dp/0822330717/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1544361401&sr=1-1-fkmr0&keywords=about+god+jonas+gardell
inspired by Jonas Book and approach I wrote this post about Jeremiah. www.kinberg.net/wordpress/stellan/2018/10/30/jeremiah/
Spinozas view of God
This text is taken from my page
Einsteins said he believed in Spinozas God. Einsteins said “I believe in Spinoza’s God, Who reveals Himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God Who concerns Himself with the fate and the doings of mankind.” ( reasd more at www.kinberg.net/science-without- religion/ ) That is called a panhteistic view. God is not a external creator separated from its creation. Read more about pantheism in www.pantheism.net
- Einsten also had a “unbounded admiration for the structure of the world“
“Baruch Spinoza and Albert Einstein considered God to be essentially the sum total of the physical laws which describe the Universe” (Carl Sagan broca’s brain)
Baruch Spinoza said:
“Whatwsoever is, is in God and without God nothing can be or be conceived.”
“God is the indwelling and not the transient cause of all things
We feel and know that we are eternal Do not weep, do now wax indignant. Understand.”
the story of God
Thanks to archeologists and Theologists like Jonas Gardell I am able to write abtout eh tory of God.
- Morgan Freemans “The story of God“ gives a good introduction. I focused a post on what was said in this video starting at 1:35:26. The post is available at www.kinberg.net/wordpress/stellan/2017/09/18/religious-pluralism/
For Buddhists the existence of God is of secondary importance. But Buddhism doesn’t stop your from believieng in a God.
I collected all information I have about Buddhism in this page: www.kinberg.net/wordpress/stellan/buddhism/
Zen Buddhism is a form of Buddhism. This master has a interesting view about God.
jehovahs Witnesses (JW).
A Lutheran creed that describes God
I got a script with the title “Thoughts about life, god and mankind” from Mats hermansson from Visby May 2017 with images from Åsa Höjer, Sensus
The book shared several thoughts about God:
- 3. God is always greater
You can never catchGod. You can never full describe God. God is a vibrating primordial force that is the basic requirement for everything- like the smallest cell and the Milky Way and evrything else that life is connected to.
- 6. God has no sex
- 28. God has a mission.
- 65. God comes near.
- 72. Our image of God is important.
- 76. God talks to us.
- God can not be limited.
- 81. God is with us in everyday life.
- 82. God is political.
- 85. All love is of God.
- 93. God does not give up when it comes to you or me.
Jesus about a forgiving God
God forgives blasphemy and sin and those whospeaks aword against the Son of Man.
Jesus said according to Matthew 12:31-32 Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men.
12:32 Whoever speaks aword against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, neither in this age, nor in that which is to come.
Paul about God
God the destroyer
Sunday March 10 at the Catholic mass 1Cor 10,1-6.10-12 was read
It tells about Pauls believe in the Hebrew destroyer God
1 I want you to be quite certain, brothers, that our ancestors all had the cloud over them and all passed through the sea. 2 In the cloud and in the sea they were all baptised into Moses; 3 all ate the same spiritual food 4 and all drank the same spiritual drink, since they drank from the spiritual rock which followed them, and that rock was Christ. 5 In spite of this, God was not pleased with most of them, and their corpses were scattered over the desert. 6 Now these happenings were examples, for our benefit, so that we should never set our hearts, as they did, on evil things; 10 Never complain; some of them complained, and they were killed by the Destroyer. 11 Now all these things happened to them by way of example, and they were described in writing to be a lesson for us, to whom it has fallen to live in the last days of the ages. 12 Everyone, no matter how firmly he thinks he is standing, must be careful he does not fall.
Jesus about God
The possibility of conversion is not ethernal. What happens when you die, if you did not do good during your earthly life? I wrote about afterlifw in a separate page. You find it at www.kinberg.net/wordpress/stellan/2018/01/24/life-afterlife/
“1 It was just about this time that some people arrived and told him about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mingled with that of their sacrifices. At this he said to them, 2 ‘Do you suppose that these Galileans were worse sinners than any others, that this should have happened to them? 3 They were not, I tell you. No; but unless you repent you will all perish as they did. 4 Or those eighteen on whom the tower at Siloam fell, killing them all? Do you suppose that they were more guilty than all the other people living in Jerusalem? 5 They were not, I tell you. No; but unless you repent you will all perish as they did.‘”
The Hebrew Bible does speak of God in bodily form: Is 7:14 speaks of, “God with us, being born of a virgin.” Also, Messiah will return to earth: Zachariah 14:4-21. comment from Steve Polanko in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiFixVjwAYk
rabbi Yizchack Breitowitz,from Jerusalem said in the video above that God is “infinite and non -material.”
Surah Al Fatihah starts with:
“In the name of Allah, the Entirely Merciful, the Especially Merciful.”
Read more in http://www.allah.org/
Rabindranath Tagore also talked about God., He may not have been a hinduist however.
“Go not to the temple to put flowers upon the feet of God,
First fill your ownhouse with the Fragrance of love and kindness…. “
Zoroastrism was the first monoteistic religion. Zarathushtra was the first zoroastrian prophet who is said to have written the Song of Zarathushtra, the Gatas. The main moral for this religion today practiced by Zoroastrians around the world is “Good thoughts, Good deeds”
About the Zoroastrian Persian King can be read in 2 Chronicles 36:22-23
“Now in the first year of Cyrus king of Persia, that the word of the Lord by the mouth of Jeremiah might be fulfilled, the Lord stirred up the spirit of Cyrus king of Persia, so that he made a proclamation throughout all his kingdom, and also put it in writing, saying, Thus says Cyrus king of Persia:
All the kingdoms of the earth the Lord God of heaven has given me. And He has commanded me to build Him a house at Jerusalem which is in Judah. Who is among you of all His people? May the Lord his God be with him, and let him go up!”
About The Zoroastrian God can be read in
I wrote more about Zoroastrism in http://www.kinberg.net/2017/09/26/being-interreligious/#Gathas
Philosophers God (under development)
I am reading Sophies world a story of the Philosophy.
I take part from www.kinberg.net/wordpress/stellan/phylosophy/
in this section.
Spinoza – God is all. All is God – Pantheism
- Understanding Nature
- The three Mileto philosophers (p 40)
- Taletes – “the originating water” (p 40)
- Anaximandros -“Apeiron”(p 41)
- Anaximenes – “The originating air”(p 41)
- Parmenides – “Rely on reason!” – “Nothing changes” (p 44-45)
- Heraklitos – “Rely on senses!” – “All flows”, “You can not jump into the same river!”, “Opposite states”, “Good and evil necessary” God” in nature (Like Paul wrote)”Logos” in everything “(inspired John) (p 43)
- Empedokles – “Parmenides and Heraklitos are right” but “Nothing changes”, “the origin is not one. Everything is a mioxing of earth, air, water and fire”. (p 44)
- Anassagora “(p 47) “Invisible origin” “Noûs” (God?) Democritos – “immutable atoms”(p 51)
- The three Mileto philosophers (p 40)
- Flue – “Influentia” from Gods -” (p 64) – the birth of medicine science
- Hippocratic tradition- moderation (p 64)
- the Sophists – “skepticism agnosticism” , “no answer to natures mysteries”(p 73)
- Protagoras – “Good and evil is relative”(p 73)
- Socrates – (p 74) “to know that you dont know is wisdom”,” (p 70) “There are absolute and universal norms!” (p.74) (God?)
- The art of dialog ” (p 75)
- Platon – “World of Ideas” (p 95) (God?)
- Aristotle – “Logic” (p 125) – “Ethics”(p 129) “Politics – The Ideal State”(p 130), 2″The woman” (p 131)
- Understanding Nature
- Helenism (p 136)
- The cynics (p 145)
- The stoics (p 146)
- the Epicureans (p 149)
- The mystics (p 152)
- Neoplatonism (p 150)
- Spinoza(p 261) (God isll, All is God. Starts a pantheistic and Dedistic view of God. Very much appreciated by Einstein.
- Locke (p 271)
- Hume (p 281)
- Berkeley (p 296)
- Kant (p 338)
- Hegel (p 379)
- Kirkegaard (p 392) – “Existencialism”
I wrote my personal perception of God in
It is of course not static. I have not stopped searching for God. I end this page with this video: