25. The apostels looking for Jesus

Index

 

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Talmidin

Talmidin were those who followed Jesus and accurately wrote  what Jesus said and teached.  ( https://www.thattheworldmayknow.com/rabbi-and-talmidim ), 

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The Gospels

Their memories and documents later reached  Papias of Hierapolis, Paul and the evangelists who wrote Mark, Matthews, Luke’ and John’s gospel.

Lukes gospel is regarded by many to be the most accurate gospel. There are also suspicions that some New Testament texts have been adjused to fit the early church dogmas.

About Mark we can read what Clement of  Alexandria said in a letter found  1958,  by Morton Smith, a professor of ancient history at Columbia University,  in the monastery of Mar Saba situated 20 kilometers south-east of Jerusalem.

 “when Peter died as a martyr, Mark [i.e. Mark the Evangelist] came over to Alexandria, bringing both his own notes and those of Peter, from which he transferred to his former book [i.e. the Gospel of Mark] the things suitable to whatever makes for progress toward knowledge.

Clement wrote in his letter about the unfalsified Gospel of Mark, later called  “secret gospel  of Mark”.Read more in http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/secretmark.html

The  Gospels were written by authors who never lived with Jesus. The authors made their best to  fill the knowledge gaps. They sought inspiration therefore from the Old Testament. For this reason the early life of Jesus became a a paraphrase of the life of Moses. 

read more about this issue in my page about Mamzer Jesus.

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Jesus teaching

There are little  doubts about what Jesus teached and  said.  Especcially those parts that are against the Christian dogmas should be genuine words of Jesus. Examples are:

  • “Love your enemie “ and Jesus letting his feet be cleaned by a prostitute. Jesus  told with these examples,  that God want the sinner to be converted and not killed. The Catholic  Church defending its dogmas, didn’t follow Jesus, killing and tortureing with its inquisition.
  • Jesus choosed Mary of Magdala to inform the disciples about his resurrection. Only now Mary of Magdala is recognized as not having been a prostitute, thanks to pope Francesco , with a special Sunday mass dedication in June.
    Despite Paul regarded women as submitted by men, he recommended several women as good disciples. The Catholic Church has yet not accepted that women could be priests. Neither does Witnesses of Jehova let women lead their meetings.
  • http://www.famigliacristiana.it/articolo/santa-maria-maddalena-la-discepola-calunniata-che-per-prima-vide-la-risurrezione.aspx )
  • “Eli Eli Lama Sabachthani” are also  probably genuine  words of Jesus. Jesus wouldnt have said if he regarded himself a God.
  • The Gospels confirm parts of his teaching. The Gospel of Thomas  I(see https://archive.org/details/TheGospelOfThomas) documents several words  of Jesus that are  found also in the other Gospels. The Gospel of Thomas found in Egypt may have been uses by the Gospel writers.
  • Hypocrisy. Jesus is very severe against hypocrisy as in Matthew 32  “they love to be greeted with respect in the marketplaces and to be called ‘Rabbi’ by others.”

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the Gospel writers never lived with Jesus?

It is often said that the Gospel writers probably never lived with Jesus.  This may be true for Luke who was a greek by birth.

Paul

Paul himself said he experienced Jesus resurrection

“Last of all he appeared to me too, as though I was a child born abnormally.”  (1 Corinthian 15:8 ).

John

John himself claims in John 21:24 that the Gospel of John is based on the written testimony of the “Beloved Disciple”.

as  a follower of John the Baptist may be the only one who have been with Jesus from the time he was very young following Jesus from his baptism to his death and resurrection.

Even if John and Paul lived with Jesus it looks like they did not follow every step Jesus made from his birth to his death. Also John and Paul may have had help from survived disciples. And were something was missing like about Jesus childhood, the apostles filled in the missing parts with what they believed must have been the truth, taking inspiration from the elder sacred scripts, like the story of Moses.

The childhood and life of Jesus is very much a paraphrase of the life of Moses.

Some of his disciples may however have lived when the first Gospels were written,

Marks gospel was  probably written with the help of Peters eyewitness as Peter was imprisoned in Rome.

Read more at www.whatchristianswanttoknow.com

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The Gospels contraddict each other

Genealogy. Matthew says that the father of Joseph was Jacob; Luke 3,23 sdsays that the father of Joseph was Eli;
Luke says Jesus has 57 ancestors included Abraham;
Matthew says he had 42ancestors that are different;
John does not add a geneaology.

Disciple election. According to John Jesus chooses his disciples almost first of all at Bethany; Matthew and Luke reports that Jesus choosed his disciples in Galilee;  
Matthew and Luke says that Jesus choosed the disciples in Galilee in the North of Israel; John says that Jesus choosed the disciples in Bethany in the south of Israel.

Easter celebrations. Jesus celebrate according to John, the Easters, that is Hannukka, Sukkopt and probablìy Shavout;
Mark, Matthew and Luke talk only about one Easter in Jerusalem.

Father prayer. John does not mention Jesus prayer despite he dedicated 5 chapter to the last evening.

John the baptist. Luke says that John the Baptist and Jesus were related;
According to John they seem not even to know each other.

(Source “Inchiesta su Gesù”, Corrado Augias, Mauro Pesce)

According to John Jesus said in Joh 10:30  “I and my Father are one”  Only John reports about this.  This is maybe because only John witnessed d this teaching.

This sayinghas led many to believe and say things like  “Maryam mater dei” that  Mary is  the mother of God and give Jesus he epitet”God” as in God Jesus” like e.g. the article in https://www.allaboutjesuschrist.org/jesus-is-god.htm tries to explain.

 I wrote about this issue in a previous post at www.kinberg.net/wordpress/stellan/2019/02/10/is-jesus-god/