I decided to split this post into two pages, one dedicated to Mary and one to Jesus. They will hopefully be published at the end of November.
Almost everyone in this world knows about about the Christian belief that Jesus was born from virgin Mary. But not many knows that this is also told about in the Quran.
There are contradiction in both the Christian belief as well as in the Muslim one. I will discuss these in this article.
- Many Christians says that Jesus is God,
but he (God?) was tempted by the devil in the desert,
while Jesus in the Gospel several times talked about God as his father and mentioned God with the name Elohim asking why God abandoned him.
- Muslims on the other hand, believe that Jesus is just a prophet and not a son of God nor God.
while Jesus was born from virgin Mary from a unknown father
and Jesus made miracles only a God per definition should be able to do.
- Virgin Mary
- The choosen woman
- Annunciation of a child
- biological implications
- Virgin Mary conceival possibilities
- Did Jesus exist?
- Is Jesus God ?
- Jesus entangled to Allah.
- Is Allah the father of Jesus ?
- Jesus miracles
- Gods Miracle
- Jesus miracles always with God/Allahs permission.
- The sacrifice of Jesus
- Two hypothesis about Jesus martyrdom
- Did Jesus die on a cross or on a stake?
- Erroneous translations in all the Gospels.
Did Jesus exist?
I have never had any doubt about that, after reading the Gospel and the Quran about Jesus and what happened in the Roman Empire after the spreading of his messages and information about his life and death. But many atheists question the existence of Jesus as among others he is not mentioned by the many normally very precise Roman Empire historians like e.g. Herodotus and Tacitus.
Is Jesus God ?
“John 10:30 ” reports that Jesus said “I and the father are one” But does that mean Jesus said “I am God” I strongly doubt that as he often talked about God as his father (for me “father” can be understood as “my Creator”). I would rather read “I and the father ” like “I and God are soulmates” or like “I am a image of God”. But this is valid for all of us, not only Jesus.
I could myself say “my dog and I and are one.” like being soulmates but that doesn’t mean that I am a dog.
Muslim arguments against
Muslim sources refer to the fact that Jesus was tempted by the devil in the desert and God/Allah would never allow that or Satan would never be able to do that as God has more power than Satan.
Presuming that Christians are right , that Jesus really is God, ” the devil in the desert temptation” story could be a way for God to warn us humans “Be careful of the Whisperings of the Devil.”
Jesus entangled to Allah.
Muslims and Christians agree however that Jesus could do miracles. Jesus could according to the Gospels, see things only Allah could (e.g. people and donkeys moving around in Jerusalem ) when he was outside Jerusalem.
Aboutr Jesus being god, the Muslim are right in their arguing that a God would not be “tempted” by the devil as Jesus was in the desert. Quran 17/111 says ““and not is for him a partner in his dominion” Muslims conclude therefore hat “Jesus is therefore not God.”
Wala yakur Lahu sharikun by al mulki
“and not is for him a partner in his dominion”
Jesus certainly did not meant that he and God were partner in the dominion”. Everything was done with the permission of God, Jesus worshipped many times.
But Muslims recognize Jesus was the only one who could make miracles.
Some miracles show that Jesus may have been “quantum entangled” with Allah, thinking that Jesus could see things only Allah could (e.g. see people and donkeys moving around in Jerusalem when he was outside, know names and story of the Samaritan woman etc.).
Maybe Jesus in his “Me and my father are one” talked in the sense of being able to do miracles, have divine sight and knowledge and have the same goals. I understand from the Gospels and Jesus praying that God decided over Jesus.
Is Allah the father of Jesus ?
Who is the biological father of Jesus. that is whose mans DNA did Jesus inherit? of course not Gods. Quran 112/3 say
He neither begets nor is born,
And quran.com/17/111 says that Allah “has not taken a son “
When Jesus talked about “his father” he of course didn’t intend “my biological father that shared with me his DNA” I presume Jesus looked at God as a “spiritual father”a father in the sense of his Creator in the whomb of Mary. The quran never specifies the kind of sonship.
Muslims correctly claims Jesus was not Gods son in the biological sense of the word. But since Muslims recognize that mary was virgin who is the biological father of Jesus?
In the Quran we can read about Mary and Jesus:
” And [mention] the one who guarded her chastity, so We blew into her [garment] through Our angel [Gabriel], and We made her and her son a sign for the worlds. ( Quran 21:91 )
“And We did certainly give Moses the Torah and followed up after him with messengers. And We gave Jesus, the son of Mary, clear proofs and supported him with the Pure Spirit.” ( Quran 2:87 )
The Quran mentions a few miracles miracles. Like this one about the table where Jesus asks Allah for a miracle, talked about in mentioned in www.islamreligion.com :
“When the disciples said: O Jesus, son of Mary! Is your Lord able to send down for us a table spread with food from heaven? He said: Observe your duty to God, if ye are true believers. They said: We desire to eat of it and our hearts be at rest, and that We may know that you have spoken truth to us, and that We may be witnesses thereof. Jesus, son of Mary, said: ‘O God, our Lord, send down for us a Table laden with food out of heaven, that shall be for us a recurring festival, the first and last of us, and a miracle from You. And provide us our sustenance, for You are the best of providers!” ( Quran 5:112-114 )
Jesus miracles with Gods/Allahs permission.
The Quran clearly tells the Jesus does miracles always with Allahs permission.
In a( Quran 3:49 ) you read:
And [make him] a messenger to the Children of Israel, [who will say], ‘Indeed I have come to you with a sign from your Lord in that I design for you from clay [that which is] like the form of a bird, then I breathe into it and it becomes a bird by permission of Allah . And I cure the blind and the leper, and I give life to the dead – by permission of Allah . And I inform you of what you eat and what you store in your houses. Indeed in that is a sign for you, if you are believers.
I have not seen this in the Gospel.In a( Quran 3:49 ) above Jesus brings life to a claybird like God did creating Adam.
Read more in (Source: www.islamreligion.com )
The sacrifice of Jesus
Morgan Freeman talks about the death and resurrection of Jesus in his video “The story of God”
The doctrin of Christianity is that “Jesus died on the cross for the sins of humans. If we accept this your will be saved” a explanation noone ever could give me acceptable explanation of. Why should Jesus suffer such a dead for our 21th century humans sins? All sinners the cause of the horible death of Jesus? It sounds like God condemned jesus to death because we were the sinner.
Muslims do not accept that Jesus was killed as “Allah would not have permitted that a messenger like Jesus would have been treated like that”. I supported for long time this idea a s there is a tomb in Srinagar, India that supports it.
I have found however another explanation why Allah let Jesus die like this. I have:
Two hypothesis about Jesus martyrdom
- God let Jesus offer himself as a redemption for for the evilness of human beings and the suffering human beings havde experienced, a suffering and evilness that is a integrated part of Gods human creation. Animals does not suffer death and evilness in the same way as we do. God as alknowing and perfectly knew that humans with such a brain were susceptible to the whispering of the devil and prone to be terribly evil. The angels argued about that with God according to the Quran. But the offering may have have had also a second purpose:
- Jesus became a example for many of those Christians to become martyrs in the Roman empire. Without his offer, would we maybe today still venerate Roman Gods.
Thanks to Jesus good example of accepting and tollerating suffering, poor Christians in Rome were able to met horrible tortures and death with extreme courage, a courage that impressed even Roman soldiers so strongly that some of them and even a Legion onverted to Christianity and became themselves martyrs.
A Christian church inside a Roman army fortress in Megiddo, Israel was discovered in the 1990’s.
The small church was created from a back room in the fortress by Christian soldiers stationed there. The fortress served as the military headquarters of the Legio II Traiana (“Trajan’s legion”) and Legio VI Ferrata (“Ironclad Legion”). Maybe even these two legions were slaughtered. (Source: earlychurchhistory.org )
Whatever happened with Jesus or whatever the reason of his martyrdom were, them the most important is that Jesus gave us good ethical rules to become good humans and be able to met evil in a successful way (” Do not judge and love your neihbor and enemy”). Thanks to Jesus we have today many good examples of kindness and love around the world as well as good behaviour fighting evilness like with “passive resistance“. Following Jesus example and messages we have better possibility to be resurrected for a happier life.
Did Jesus die on a cross or on a stake?
This is really an irrelevant question. But I explain below the reason iigive this question so much space.
“Crucifixion was such a gruesome and humiliating way to die that the subject was somewhat of a taboo in Roman culture, and few crucifixions were specifically documented. One of the only specific female crucifixions we have documented is that of Ida, a freedwoman (former slave) who was crucified by order of Tiberius.” (Source: Wiki )
Some say that the cruxifixion and hand nailing of Jesus is prooved by the schroud in torino, Italy.
But the examination of it shows that “Blood pattern analysis (BPA) of the blood marks on the Shroud of Turin show that they are non-realistic.”
The cross/stake question is interesting as its answer reveals how the Gospels like the old testament have been erroneously translated from Greek. The Witnesses of Jehovah talk a lot about this, to explain why the jehovahs-witnesses doesn’t worship images of Jesus on a cross. They say that the “Bible indicates that Jesus did not die on a cross but rather on a simple stake.” (source: https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1101989219 )
Erroneous translation in all the Gospels.
The Jehovahs witness looks to be be correct. You can see this “stake-cross” mistranslations in all the Gospels.
- In Luke 9:23 with interlinear greek and English the greek word ” Stauros (ed. greek:σταυρὸν) is translated to cross. The same mistranslation can be seen in
- Matthew 16:24 and in
- Mark 8:34
- In John 19:18 you Can see a similar mistranslation from “estaurōsan” (ed. greek ἐσταύρωσαν) to “they crucified”
- In John 19:19 about the title.
You find all these mistranslations googleing with the text
My Lutheran priest here in Sweden aknowledged that this mistranslating is a fact. I decided therefore to “amputate” my golden cross to resemble a pole.
I have however now to the idea that Jesus had to carry the horizontal beam (patibulum in Latin) to the place of execution, but not the whole cross as it is to heavy. Jesus tied to the horizontal beamand was appended on a stake so it looked like a T as Morgan Freeman illustrates it in his video “The story of God” from minutes 17:40.
For me it is enough that Jesus is a prophet, a prophet that could do miracles. like the Muslims believe.
Jesus is not God for me. God decides over all of us, even Jesus.
We are all sons of God in a metaphorical sense as God created us all.
of course God does not get children in the biological meaning of it.
I believe in the miracles as I think that God can do anything, like he created the Universe.
there are a lot of misunderstanding between different religions as believers have their own conception of things. We must do our best to understand each other and to achieve this the only solution is dialog.