Virgin Mary and Jesus

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introduction

Almost everyone  in this world knows about about the Christian belief that  Jesus was born from virgin Mary. But not many knows that this is also told about in the Quran.

There are contradiction in both the Christian belief as well as in the Muslim one. I will discuss these in this article.

  • Many Christians says that Jesus is God,
    but he (God?) was tempted by the devil in the desert,
    while Jesus in the Gospel several times talked about God as his father and mentioned God with the name Elohim asking why God abandoned him.
  • Muslims on the other hand, believe that Jesus is just a prophet and not a son of God nor God. 
    while Jesus was born from virgin Mary from a unknown father

    and Jesus made miracles only a God per definition should be able to do.

Index

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Mary مريم

 

Perisan miniature with Mary and Jesus (Soure: Wiki )

Maryam written in Quranic Arabic, Quran 2:87 )

 

I were surprised that Mary according to the Quran is above all “the women of the worlds.” I like that. This has never been said in the Gospel even if Mary is the object of prayer like in  “Ave Maria“.

there is no reason to write my own text about Mary when there is a very good one  at Wiki. a text I know is  checked and verified by many Wiki editors. I choose therefore to copy here what is said in Wikipedia:

“Mary (Arabic: مريمtranslit. Maryam), the mother of Jesus (Isa), holds a singularly exalted place in Islam as the only woman named in the Quran, which refers to her 94 times and explicitly identifies her as the greatest of all women,  stating, with reference to the angelic salutation during the annunciation, “O Mary, God has chosen you, and purified you; He has chosen you above all the women of creation.” (  Quran 3:42 ).

The nineteenth chapter of the scripture, titled “Mary” (Surat  19 ,Maryam ), is named after her. The Quran refers to Mary more often than in the New Testament.

The choosen woman

According to the Quran, divine grace surrounded Mary from birth,and, as a young woman, she received a message from God through the archangel Gabriel that God had chosen her, purified her, and had preferred her above all “the women of the worlds.”( Qur’an 3:42  )

Annunciation of a child

This event, according to the same narrative, was followed by the annunciation of a child (ed. See miniature above) who was to be miraculously conceived by her through the intervention of the divine spirit while she was still virgin, whose name would be Jesus and who would be the “anointed one,” the Promised Messiah.”

The  Gospel of Luke tells like this “26 God sent the angel Gabriel to Nazareth  28 The angel went to her and said, You will conceive and give birth to a son, and you are to call him Jesus. 32 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High.

biological implications

To understand the magnitude of this miracle of God, one has to know that “The human genome contains approximately 3 billion of … base pairs, which reside in the 23 pairs of chromosomes within the nucleus of all our cells.” (Source:  www.genome.gov ) Presuming  that Jesus got half of the DNA from Mary (minus the MtDNA Jesus got from Mary)  (Source:  https://www.nytimes.com  ) ,God created in a egg in Marys  fallopian tube about1.5 billion base pairs exactly ordered to become a readable code for half of  the proteins  (10.000) Jesus body needed to function normally.

The conceiving of Jesus  is a miracle  so incredible that  it is not strange that many human beings with a minimum of Biology knowledges,  have difficulties to accept and believe in the story of virgin Mary giving birth to a boy.

The Quran and the Gospel does not give any hint how God could achieve this miracle. I can myself not find an answer with my knowledges about Quantum physics i wrote about i  my article about the Quantum God

About the creation of Adam I came to a answer I described
in my  Enlightened genesis. But for the “creation” of Jesus I am knocking on a door with noone home.

Virgin Mary conceival possibilities

I wonder if God really had to create 1.5 billion base pairs  as explained above?

As many paintings with Jesus show up a blond Roman looking man I thought many years ago that Mary maybe was raped by a Roman officer. And God implanted in the body of this boy his Holy spirit.

Joseph as a good loving man may have saved Mary’s life marrying with her despite being pregnant. And the Catholic church may have invented the story of virgin Mary and Josephs dream to justify the concept of Jesus as the son of God.

I reject today this hypothesis thanks to what is written about this and Jesus in the Quran. 

As the Quran clearly states about Allah  that 

He neither begets nor is born,

So the hypothesis  I now have is that God simply fertilized a egg in Mary with a sperm from Joseph like many women do IVT ?. But this would imply that Jesus would become very similar to Joseph. Wonder wonder but we may never get answer. to how this miracle was realized. Who was Jesus then?

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Jesus (Isa)

The name “Jesus, son of Mary” written in Arabic calligraphy,
followed by “peace be upon him.” بلال الدويك
(  Source: https://www.vox.com  )

Did Jesus exist?

I have never had any doubt about  that, after reading the Gospel and the Quran about Jesus and what happened in the Roman Empire after the spreading of his messages and information about his life and death.  But many  atheists question the existence of  Jesus as among others he is not mentioned by the many normally very precise Roman Empire historians like e.g.   Herodotus  and Tacitus.

Is Jesus God ?

John 10:30 ” reports that Jesus said “I and the father are one” But does that mean Jesus said “I am God” I strongly doubt that as he often talked about God as his father (for me “father” can be understood as “my Creator”). I would rather read “I and the father ” like “I and God are soulmates” or like “I am a image of God”. But this is valid for all of us, not only Jesus.

I could myself say “my dog  and I and are one.”  like being soulmates  but that doesn’t mean that I am a dog.

Muslim arguments against

Muslim sources refer to the fact that Jesus was tempted by the devil in the desert and God/Allah would never allow that or Satan would never be able to do that as God  has more power than Satan. 

Presuming that  Christians are right , that Jesus really is God, ” the devil in the desert temptation” story could be a way for God  to warn us humans  “Be careful of the Whisperings of the Devil.

Jesus entangled to Allah.

Muslims and Christians agree however that  Jesus could do miracles. Jesus could  according to the Gospels, see things only Allah could (e.g. people and donkeys moving around in Jerusalem ) when he was outside Jerusalem.

Aboutr Jesus being god, the Muslim are right in their arguing that a God would not be “tempted” by the devil as Jesus was in the desert. Quran 17/111 says ““and not is for him a partner in his dominion”  Muslims conclude therefore hat “Jesus is therefore not God.”

Wala yakur Lahu sharikun by al mulki
“and not is for him a partner in his dominion”

Jesus  certainly did not meant that he and God were partner in the dominion”. Everything was done with the permission of God, Jesus worshipped many times.

But Muslims recognize Jesus was the only one who could make miracles.

Some miracles show that  Jesus may have been “quantum entangled” with Allah, thinking that Jesus could see things only Allah could (e.g. see people and donkeys moving around in Jerusalem when he was outside, know names and story of the Samaritan woman etc.).

Maybe Jesus in his “Me and my father are one” talked in the sense of being able to do miracles, have divine sight and knowledge and have the same goals. I understand from the Gospels and Jesus praying that God decided over Jesus.

Is Allah the father of Jesus ?

Who is the biological father of Jesus.  that is whose mans DNA did Jesus inherit? of course not Gods.  Quran 112/3 say

He neither begets nor is born,

And quran.com/17/111 says that Allahhas not taken a son 

When Jesus talked about “his father” he of course didn’t intend “my biological father that shared with me his DNA” I presume Jesus looked at God as a “spiritual father”a father in the sense of  his Creator in the whomb of Mary. The quran never specifies the kind of sonship.

Muslims correctly claims Jesus was not Gods son in the biological sense of the word. But since Muslims recognize that mary was virgin who is the biological father of Jesus? 

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Jesus miracles

In the Quran we can read about Mary and Jesus:

” And [mention] the one who guarded her chastity, so We blew into her [garment] through Our angel [Gabriel], and We made her and her son a sign for the worlds. ( Quran 21:91 )

And We did certainly give Moses the Torah and followed up after him with messengers. And We gave Jesus, the son of Mary, clear proofs and supported him with the Pure Spirit.” ( Quran 2:87 )

Gods Miracle

The Quran mentions a few miracles miracles. Like  this one about the table where Jesus asks Allah for a miracle, talked about in mentioned in  www.islamreligion.com :

“When the disciples said: O Jesus, son of Mary!  Is your Lord able to send down for us a table spread with food from heaven?  He said: Observe your duty to God, if ye are true believers.  They said: We desire to eat of it and our hearts be at rest, and that We may know that you have spoken truth to us, and that We may be witnesses thereof.  Jesus, son of Mary, said: ‘O God, our Lord, send down for us a Table laden with food out of heaven, that shall be for us a recurring festival, the first and last of us, and a miracle from You.  And provide us our sustenance, for You are the best of providers!” ( Quran 5:112-114 )

Jesus miracles with Gods/Allahs permission.

The Quran clearly tells the Jesus does miracles always with Allahs permission.

In a( Quran 3:49 ) you read:

And [make him] a messenger to the Children of Israel, [who will say], ‘Indeed I have come to you with a sign from your Lord in that I design for you from clay [that which is] like the form of a bird, then I breathe into it and it becomes a bird by permission of Allah . And I cure the blind and the leper, and I give life to the dead – by permission of Allah . And I inform you of what you eat and what you store in your houses. Indeed in that is a sign for you, if you are believers.  

I have not seen this in the Gospel.In a( Quran 3:49 ) above Jesus brings life to a claybird like God did creating Adam.

Read more in (Source: www.islamreligion.com )

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The sacrifice of Jesus

Morgan Freeman talks about the death and resurrection of Jesus  in his video “The story of God”

The doctrin of Christianity is that “Jesus died on the cross for the   sins of humans. If we accept this your will be saved” a explanation noone ever could give me acceptable explanation of. Why should Jesus suffer such a dead for our 21th century humans sins? All sinners the cause  of the horible death of Jesus? It sounds like God condemned jesus to death because we were the sinner.

Muslims do not accept that Jesus was killed as “Allah would not have permitted that a messenger like Jesus  would have been treated like that”. I supported for long time this idea a s there is a tomb in Srinagar, India that supports it.

  I have found however another explanation why Allah let Jesus die like this. I have:

Two hypothesis about Jesus martyrdom

  1. God let Jesus offer himself as a redemption for for the evilness of human beings and  the suffering  human beings havde experienced, a suffering and evilness  that is a integrated part of Gods human creation.  Animals does not suffer death and evilness in the same way as we do. God as alknowing and perfectly knew that humans with such a brain  were susceptible to the whispering of the devil  and prone to be terribly evil. The angels argued about that with God according to the Quran. But the offering may have have had also a second  purpose:
  2. Jesus became a example for many of those Christians to become martyrs in the Roman empire. Without his offer, would we maybe today still venerate Roman Gods.

Thanks to Jesus good example of accepting and tollerating suffering,  poor Christians in Rome were able to met  horrible tortures and death with extreme courage, a courage that impressed even Roman soldiers so strongly that some of them and even a Legion  onverted to Christianity and became themselves martyrs. 

A Christian church inside a Roman army fortress in Megiddo, Israel was discovered in the 1990’s.

Cleaning the Megiddo Mosaic
                                                                      Cleaning the Megiddo Mosaic

The small church was created from a back room in the fortress by Christian soldiers stationed there. The fortress served as the military headquarters of the Legio II Traiana (“Trajan’s legion”) and Legio VI Ferrata (“Ironclad Legion”). Maybe even these two legions were slaughtered. (Source: earlychurchhistory.org )

Whatever happened with Jesus or whatever the reason of his martyrdom were, them the most important is that Jesus gave us good ethical rules to become good humans and be able to met evil in a successful way (” Do not judge and love your neihbor and enemy”). Thanks to Jesus we have today many good examples of  kindness and love around the world as well as good behaviour fighting evilness like  with “passive resistance“. Following Jesus  example and messages we  have better possibility to be resurrected for a happier life.

Did Jesus die on a cross or on a stake?

This is really an  irrelevant question. But I explain below the reason iigive this question so much space.

Crucifixion was such a gruesome and humiliating way to die that the subject was somewhat of a taboo in Roman culture, and few crucifixions were specifically documented. One of the only specific female crucifixions we have documented is that of Ida, a freedwoman (former slave) who was crucified by order of Tiberius.” (Source: Wiki  )

Some say that the cruxifixion and hand nailing of Jesus is prooved by the schroud in torino, Italy.

But the examination of it shows that “Blood pattern analysis (BPA) of the blood marks on the Shroud of Turin show that they are non-realistic.”

The cross/stake question is interesting as its  answer reveals how the Gospels  like the old testament have been erroneously translated from Greek. The Witnesses of Jehovah talk a lot about this,   to explain why the  jehovahs-witnesses doesn’t worship  images  of Jesus on a cross. They say that the “Bible indicates that Jesus did not die on a cross but rather on a simple stake.”  (source: https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1101989219 )

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Erroneous translation in all the Gospels.

The Jehovahs witness looks to be be correct. You can see this “stake-cross” mistranslations in all the Gospels.

You find all these mistranslations googleing with the text
cross /site:biblehub.com/interlinear

or with
“crucified /site:biblehub.com/interlinear”

My Lutheran priest here in Sweden aknowledged that this mistranslating is a fact. I decided  therefore to “amputate” my  golden cross to resemble a pole.

I have however now to the idea that Jesus had  to carry the horizontal beam (patibulum in Latin) to the place of execution, but not the whole cross as it is to heavy. Jesus tied to the horizontal beamand was appended  on a stake so it looked like a  T as Morgan Freeman illustrates it in his video  “The story of God” from minutes 17:40.

 

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Conclusions

For me it is enough that Jesus is a prophet, a prophet that could do miracles. like the Muslims believe.

Jesus is not God for me. God decides over all of us, even Jesus.

We are all sons of God in a metaphorical sense as God created us all.

of course God does not get children in the biological meaning of it.

I believe in the miracles as I think that God can do anything, like he created the Universe.

there are a lot of misunderstanding between different religions as believers have their own conception of things. We must do our best to understand each other and to achieve this the only solution is dialog.

 

Loop Quantum Gravity

Quantum physics has been in my attention for some time now. The reason for it you find in my article about the Quantum God

I have dedicated my professional life to math and its language as a math teacher. But that was for K9 students. I find myself stuck with the math language  Einstein dealt with like the math in the two equations below. I must attend a course explaining this kind of advanced math language.

When I got the news from Fermilab I prenumerate on, about “Loop Quantum Gravity –  how to merge quantum mechanic and gravity” a new field of study, it was impossible for me not to start looking at this video.  

This video resurrected  a old plan I had.  Quantum mechanics math is far more difficult than the math in the relativity equations. I struggled many years ago with the Schroedinger equation, the math I did not understand but understood the electron state orbital consequences. this equation is important to understand to be able to dig into quantum mechanic math.

The best explanation of the Schroedinger equation  I have found is this video:

To understand quantum mechanics better I have to follow leonard Susskind in the video below about imaginary/ complex numbers, complex coniugates and how these are used to describe abstract quantum vectors: 


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